Would you switch music teacher?

At what point does one consider switching to a conservatory music teacher from a local music teacher?

My son feels that he needs to progress to harder pieces in order to get to the next level. He is frustrated because while state level is working fine, at the regional level he is not competitive with the kids with teachers from a rather well known conservatory prep (starts with J) so wants to switch to a teacher from our local conservatory (starts with N).

We know nothing about music and just try to help him with logistics and writing checks. We also love love love the current teacher who has been teaching him since he was little. She loves him and cares for him like her own son.

As an aside, his composition teacher is from a local conservatory (starts with B) and the teacher there has taken him to places in just 2 years he could never imagine he would be.

Any thoughts? Thank much in advance!

I’m having trouble with the alphabet soup :slight_smile: but if he’s been with the same instrumental teacher since he was small and he’s now in high school, he should probably move to a new teacher for the sake of his own development. Most teachers understand this, and will even prepare a student to audition for the new teacher. but it can be hard for them–they are human and get attached to students. We had an issue like this with my daughter–for years people told me she was ready for a new teacher but I was afraid to broach that subject because I knew her childhood teacher was attached to her. We waited longer than we should have and the break was not pleasant even when it was long overdue.

Well, as for the alphabet soup, let’s say for the sake of the discussion that they refer to J for Juilliard, N for New England Conservatory, and and B for Berkelee School of Music respectively. :slight_smile:

You hit the nail on the head. I am really afraid to broach the subject of moving on. It feels … wrong to change loyalties. Of course, it will not be my son who will have to have the hard talk, nor my wife. It will have to be me. :frowning:

I thought J might be Juilliard, but B and N confused me because you described them as “local”–I thought you meant the neighborhood music schools. Yes, I did all the hard talking and I was horrible at it. But NEC Prep is quite good–do you really need to travel to Juilliard? (Asks the person who commuted her daughter to Juilliard Precollege from a different city, as well.) If you do, you will be in good company–plenty of people travel there every Saturday from points far away.

We considered travelling to New York every Saturday, and the shuttle is handy. But travel is not fun so we passed on that, especially since NEC Prep is pretty good, or so it seems to us (we know nothing about music). Question is whether to switch to one particular teacher in NEC Prep (provided she accepts the kid), or stay with the current teacher. The Composition teacher is a Professor at Berkelee and she is wonderful. We will stay with her for the next 4 years.

My son entered NEC Prep (Jazz) a bit late in the game but it’s been an absolutely wonderful experience (except for the parking :). It not only solidified his decision to attend a conservatory but also introduced him to an amazing community of teachers and musicians. Almost the entire All State Jazz band he participated in this year was made up of students he already knew from NEC Prep! His teachers plus a current NEC student played in his prescreen video, and it was recorded by his NEC Prep teacher (and he passed all his prescreens). His teachers’ information regarding college “fit” was right on - proving they know him, as well as the current conservatory scene. Needless to say, my son loves the school so much he chose NEC over some other really great options for college next fall. I have to admit, however, that he continued taking lessons (in addition to his lessons at NEC Prep) from his original teacher, who’s taught him since he was eight years old. It was never a conflict and the teacher has become a mentor at this point. The only issue was that it was expensive!

The short answer is, yes. If your son is sensing it is time to move on in order to progress, then it is time.

NEC has been our second home every weekend for the past several years. Yes, the parking is crazy! Did you know that when CIA officers learn offensive driving they are sent to St. Botolph Street in winter? He takes cello, orchestra and theory at NEC, and used to take composition there as well in the past. We talked to the NEC piano teacher that he wants this weekend, and an audition is scheduled. Fingers crossed. The teacher takes very few prep students so he might not make the cut.

Your son sounds very talented. Good luck with the audition!

We’re fortunate to have these wonderful opportunities here in Boston

Yes we are! And thank you!

There are a lot of people who make the schlep to Juilliard pre college, there are people who drive from Virginia, people who were driving from Michigan, people flying in from the west coast. Juilliard pre college is a wonderful program, don’t get me wrong, but I also would question whether you cannot get the same experience at a good music program elsewhere. NEC prep is a bit different than Juilliard pre college, from what I recall of NEC prep it is kind of a la carte, where students don’t necessarily have to take all the theory and ear training and such that is required at Juilliard pre college, though of course students can take those courses. More importantly, NEC prep has a pretty strong faculty, and kids come out of there and go to elite conservatories. You didn’t mention the instrument, I am assuming strings or piano simply because the kid started at a very young age:). I know NEC has great faculty who teach at the pre college level, and to be honest given what you have locally, I personally would think twice about going elsewhere. Juilliard pre college has some great teachers, there is no doubt, but unless you found that no one at NEC prep worked for him, to me it wouldn’t be worth the costs of going to Juilliard Pre college, the travelling and wear and tear and such.

In terms of switching teachers, it is pretty rare for students to have a teacher that can take them from the beginnings all the way through, though some students for whatever reason get into a top teacher early, but that is rare IME. Teachers have limitations, and the good ones recognize when they cannot take a student beyond a certain point. Sometimes it is because as the kid has gotten older, their visions of things have diverged, sometimes it is the teacher simply is a lot better at getting kids started (the same way that top level teachers would be bored to tears starting a kid out). And yes, it can be difficult, because the teacher probably cares, and hates to lose the kid, and some teachers might feel insulted, as if saying “you aren’t a great teacher”. Good ones IMO recognize when change is needed, and think of the student’s interest rather than their own. A friend of my son’s transferred from the school he is at, to another school, leaving a first rate teacher because a teacher he had worked with before had been hired at the other school, and felt it would work better for him. His current teacher not only didn’t get angry about it, he will still the kid at the other school from time to time, too…

In the end, you need to do what is best for your son. While I am not a big fan of all state and all region as measuring much in terms of overall ability, for reasons that have come up on here in other threads, if you feel he needs more challenge, then make the move. One thing I can tell you, as someone who knew zilch about music, when my son moved from his local teacher (who was pretty accomplished, principal member of a pretty high level orchestra) to the one he studied with through high school, it was shocking the difference, in how much his old teacher let go or didn’t pick up, it was night and day. I remember listening to all state orchestra in my state and being impressed, but then when I went to things like New York Youth Symphony, or heard the orchestras at Juilliard Pre college and other top pre college programs, I saw a startling difference I had not realized without comparison.

Thanks, Musicprnt. He is not in all state, he is in the NEC prep repertory orchestra, but that’s not really his focus. HE plays cello in that, but it is more to get a feel for a string instruments which helps in his composition. His main instrument is piano, he wins state and New England with ease, but the kids from New York are kicking his butt in MTNA. Being very competitive, he is upset. But then piano is not his #1 passion either, it’s composition. But if he can give the New york kids a run for their money, I would definitiely get him a new teacher. We shall see if he passes the audition though. :slight_smile:

Your son has already won awards with the instruction of this piano teacher. And more than one award. You do know that some local piano teachers can be very challenging, right?

Any good music teacher will know when it’s time to move on to someone else. When our kid was progressing, we had this conversation with his teacher…and the teacher actually agreed, and suggested other private instructors who could up the ante.

You live in an area filled with graduates from several excellent music programs…plus a ton of professional musicians.

You don’t have to go to a program affiliated with a conservatory to have a fabulous piano teacher.

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I would be very careful about using competition results to determine how good your son is or isn’t on piano, some competitions are not what they appear, there is often politics involved, biases and so forth, so it could be your son is getting his butt kicked by something other than his playing. It doesn’t mean not to get a new teacher, if you feel he needs to do better, but I wouldn’t use a competition as the only basis for doing that.

I didn’t see anything in the original post indicating that the son might try Juilliard prep. It seems the issue was switching from the local teacher to an NEC teacher for piano. The son is already taking cello, orchestra and theory at NEC prep so the environment is already a “second home.”

Good luck to him with his piano audition: it seems pretty certain he will get in. As you know the Sat. lessons and master classes in piano at NEC will help him grow. Perhaps he will find the right combination each year for his development, which may or may not also include the local teacher.

Your son is 14. If I were his teacher, I would tell him to stop competitions for awhile. As was discussed on another thread about his composition, he may become so geared to external motivators like winning competitions that his internal motivations (and artistry) may suffer. Competitions in composition, specifically, are very subjective and writing to please can be harmful while developing a “voice.”

They can be useful if the competition provides a way for a work to be performed, and they can be marginally helpful at the time of applications ( a few years down) though applications are judged on the music itself. A much better path might be to start thinking about summer programs.

Editing to add that if composition has become a more serious interest for him, it might be good to encourage thinking about long term development, which takes many years. He is only 14 so if competitions are fun, much as sports or math team might be fun, fine, but it might be good to work with him as he matures, to find other ways to feel satisfaction with his work.

A couple of thoughts.

If your son wants to progress to “harder pieces” but his current teacher is reticent, it’s worth finding out why. Even the most mature and talented teen will have his/her blind spots.

I would also caution you, the parent, against getting too caught up in the competition. “Being very competitive, he is upset.” – I’ve said those exact same words before, and believed that it was all about what my son wanted (“I’m happy because he’s happy…”) but that parent-child psychology is complicated, and I think the balance becomes that much more difficult when you have a high-achieving focused child.