WUSTL vs Rice

<p>Hey guys!
I am an international student from China. Now I cannot easily make a decision between Rice and WUSTL so that I am here to ask for your advice.</p>

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<li><p>academics
For both schools my intended major is Electrical Engineering. However, i want to make a double major or sth like that in business/economy. I know Rice Engineering is generally better than that of WUSTL. But Rice does not have a business school for undergraduates...Does this hurt?</p></li>
<li><p>location
It's a Houston vs St. Louis. My question is, considering future career & job market & internship oppurtunities, does location mean that much?</p></li>
<li><p>people around
Are people in both schools friendly and helpful? You know that i may have a hard time at the very beginning since i have to get accustomed to a brand new culture and environment.</p></li>
<li><p>campus life
How are Rice's and WUSTL's dorms? What about food? Is it convenient to go shopping near the campus?</p></li>
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<p>I really appreciate your help. Thank you all very much.</p>

<p>depends on what your major is</p>

<p>Dirk2015,
my intended major is EE but i want to make a double major or minor in econ/buzi. so what’s your suggestion?</p>

<p>Academically, they’re both incredible, and there’s no significant difference between the two. So really, it comes down to environment.</p>

<p>For what it’s worth, both have great dorms, but WUSTL is a definite cut above with regards to food.</p>

<p>I have one son at each of these 2 colleges right now, so I can help you a little.</p>

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<li><p>academics: both are top notch, although Rice has an edge over WUSTL in engineering; very easy to double major at both and Rice now has a business minor <a href=“http://business.rice.edu/Business_Minor.aspx[/url]”>http://business.rice.edu/Business_Minor.aspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
<li><p>location
Houston is a growing city with a lot of job opportunities; St Louis is a city on the decline</p></li>
<li><p>people around
Both schools have very friendly, down to earth, collaborative students. You can’t go wrong with either in this regard</p></li>
<li><p>campus life
I give the edge to WUSTL for freshman dorms - great suites, tempurpedic mattresses and all freshmen dorms grouped together. Upper class dorms aren’t as nice and are difficult to get. Rice has residential colleges which vary more in quality and age. The on-campus food at WUSTL is slightly better than Rice, but the off campus food is significantly better at Rice.</p></li>
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<p>You have 2 great choices and it’s not an easy decision to choose between the 2. Best of luck to you!</p>

<p>If you’re worried about adapting to the culture of your new environment, I have to say that Rice does an amazing job of welcoming new students via O-Week and the overall nature of the residential colleges.</p>

<p>manarius,
what about the location? Can Houston offer much more opportunities in jobs/internships?</p>

<p>and… what’s your conclusion? i mean, which one should i choose?</p>

<p>thanks again</p>

<p>blackeyedsusan,
thank you a lot for your detailed answer.
For campus life, do you mean that it is a little difficult to find a dorm with good quality in Rice?
and… may i ask what’s your final conclusion?
thanks again.</p>

<p>Dorian_Mode
thx. so what’s your opinions about other factors i have listed above?</p>

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If you are serious about business, then WUSTL is the one. WUSTL has a top notch business school, consistently ranked in the top 20 for undergrads. Rice doesn’t have a business school. It hurts a lot if you want to jump into business and compete with other business grads when you don’t have a business or just have a minor. A minor doesn’t match with a degree in business. It’s like competing for a job on wall street when you only have a business minor while the other person has a business degree from University of Michigan, MIT, UPenn, etc. If business is secondary and you are not really going to find a business job (marketing, investment, etc.) then it doesn’t really matter that much.</p>

<p>In terms of opportunity for internships (mainly for business), it’s also mixed. Rice provides opportunities to intern in Houston (many Fortune 500 companies). WUSTL provides a very unique opportunity for you to intern in Washington D.C. (yes, the nation’s capital). It’s called Semester in D.C. Program (<a href=“http://www.olin.wustl.edu/academicprograms/BSBA/Pages/SemesterinDCProgram.aspx[/url]”>http://www.olin.wustl.edu/academicprograms/BSBA/Pages/SemesterinDCProgram.aspx&lt;/a&gt;). They will help you find an intern in D.C. and you will be taking classes and at the same time have a full internship in D.C. The internships are impressive, for example the Chamber of Commerce.

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<p>The people around you are all going to be collaborative. Rice is a collaborative school. WUSTL is a collaborative school. Geographic diversity is the biggest difference. Nearly half of Rice students are Texans, WUSTL has a less proportion of instate students.</p>

<p>Campus life is very different. Rice fosters a close knit society through their Residential College system. Often time loyalty to one’s RC is very important, but keep in mind that students love other students who are in different RC. WUSTL is different. WUSTL students have Greek life in which about 1/3 of the students participate in. Rice has no Greek life. WUSTL dorms are nicer though, well some. Modern dorms are all suite style. Rice, however, is mixed. Underclassmen dorms can be amazing or pretty traditional with nothing very amazing (i.e. Brown). Many upperclassmen and some underclassmen have very nice suites though.</p>

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I really wish people would stop throwing around this worthless statistic. Texas is a much larger and more diverse state than Missouri.</p>

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Yes in terms of ethnic diversity but in terms of geographic diversity no. You can talk a lot about Texas, but you won’t get as great of a perspective of what it is like in the northeast, the midwest, the west coast. So I’m not throwing it around like worthless statistic. It’s the truth. You can’t expect to have a large amount of Texas to have full understanding of living in the different regions. I highly doubt that a diverse Texan population can tell you all about backpacking in the Appalachian Mountains, or Skiing in the Rockies, or how nightlife is on the big east coast cities, or living near a beach in sunny California, or the living near forests in the northwest. That’s where living in those region provide for you. In the last point, I specifically mentioned geographic diversity, not ethnic diversity. The difference can be great. Complete ethnic diversity can be achieved by selecting people from all over Texas, geographic diversity can’t. Texans can’t fully describe to you how living presently in a certain region is like (the people, the social atmosphere, the lifestyle). The opposite is true: out of state people can’t fully tell you how Texas is like. When talking about the large amount of Texans at Rice, it’s not always about cultural diversity, there are truth to the statement, it’s not worthless, please don’t jump the gun and assume we don’t understand Texas, especially when there are people who have lived there before.</p>

<p>I still think it’s pretty worthless, because there’s not a single one of those statements I couldn’t turn around on you. Sure, a single person who has only lived in Texas can’t tell you what it’s like to live in Appalachia or on the coasts, but a single person from California would be unable to tell students at WashU what life is like in any part of Texas. What makes backpacking in Appalachia more important than backpacking in the Texas hill country?</p>

<p>But really, I think the entire premise of your argument is fallacious, although Rice does have a large portion of students from Texas, I’m sure that you could find an equal proportion at WashU (or other schools for that matter) who come from a contiguous geographic area the same size as Texas. Whether or we have defined that area as being a single state is irrelevant. I’ve driven through Missouri, Illinois and Ohio and seen far less variation in scenery than on much shorter drives in Texas.</p>

<p>Really, though, you’re the one who assumes that my reference to diversity is limited to ethnicities. Texas is also socially, ideologically, and geographically diverse, and plenty of people who live there are transplants from elsewhere.</p>

<p>tl;dr: nope, still worthless</p>

<p>bump!
really wanna hear from more ppl.
thx</p>

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Absolutely untrue. Many companies prefer students to have Economics/math/engineering/computer tech degrees, and many companies consider undergraduate business degrees to be on the light side academically!</p>

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There are many types of business jobs. Now, if you refer back to my previous post, I specifically stated jobs on wall street: Investment Banking, International Banking, Investment Management Firms, Hedge Funds and Broker Dealers, and Fund Accountants. I don’t think a compsci major is going to fare well with a Wharton grad on this. Now if you are referring to business jobs with major tech companies like Ford, Toyota, GM, etc. Then yes. My father has a MBA and a Masters in Mech Eng and he works as a purchaser for a car company. However, my friend got a business degree from our public university in Michigan and he works on wall street. Difference, yes. It’s the job. It depends on what OP wants. If you read closely, I stated before wall street jobs. There are many business jobs. A engineering job wouldn’t exactly fit if you are talking about doing hedge fund jobs for Fannie or Freddie. It will fit if you are doing purchasing and sales for a large tech company like the car companies. The “many companies” would not apply to major banks and investment companies, which make up a large portion of the economy. So, not untrue. It depends on what jobs the OP wants, a job on wall street (primarily business) or a job more tech oriented with some business integrated into it.</p>

<p>bump!!!
waiting!!!</p>

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<p>OK, so you mean Wall Street jobs? Houston is actually FAR better than St. Louis in this respect. All the bulge-bracket banks and a huge number of boutiques are in Houston (Texas has largest # of banks, 2nd or 3rd only to New York or California). There are Rice alumni at every single bulge-bracket bank (Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, Deutsche, UBS, Barcap, etc) - I can personally vouch for that.</p>

<p>Even if Rice doesn’t have an undergrad business program, it doesn’t mean none will go to ibanking, etc. The same argument works for Ivies as well, since Penn/Wharton is the only one with an official undergrad business program – but that doesn’t stop other Ivies like Princeton, Yale, Harvard and Dartmouth from being very well-represented in top ibanks and consulting firms. Top LAC’s like Amherst and Williams also don’t face a disadvantage from not having an undergrad b-school program.</p>

<p>All in all, it really comes down to alumni networks and your own personal, proactive networking.</p>

<p>I myself will be an IB summer analyst this summer and know 7-10 others who also are as well.</p>

<p>Please don’t speak for Rice if you don’t even go here or have personal experience.</p>

<p>If you’re in STL, there really aren’t any investment banks there, you’ll have to move up to Chicago (and even there, prop trading is much more popular). Other than that, I am not a WashU student so I cannot say much about it, but I do know Rice is much more of a “target” school for banks than WashU is – or at least, maybe WashU is a target for Chicago investment banks, but I am not sure.</p>

<p>OP, I had the same decision when I was your age and I chose Rice over WashU – it really comes down to your personal preference, as each are great schools, and it’s up to you to seize opportunities and make the best of your experience once you’re there.</p>

<p>Not to hijack the thread, but I am facing a similar predicament as the OP. How does Rice compare to WUSTL in regard to the humanities/social sciences?</p>

<p>Since I have a little free time on my hands, here is a more extended and honest response:</p>

<p>1. Academics
General: Both are excellent top-notch schools. I know a lot of people who got into Rice and WashU but chose Rice, or chose WashU, etc. but this is the case with a large number of overlapping schools (Northwestern, Duke, Emory, etc). The quality of academics is negligible in a holistic sense; quality of students is pretty similar.</p>

<p>For me, I was an incoming premed, and I didn’t like how WashU seemed so incredibly premed-centric - what if I changed my mind and wanted to do something else? I’m sure WashU’s other departments are pretty good as well, but as far as I’m concerned, its main reputation is rooted in premed/sciences/medical school. (Kind of like Johns Hopkins, though it’s also known for BME and international relations)</p>

<p>At Rice, I appreciated how there was a more “diverse” group of students, relatively speaking - yes, lots of premeds too and engineers, but music and architecture majors, and social sciences/humanities as well. I went to WashU’s multicultural weekend, which hosted lots of (mostly) Asian prospies, and literally every kid I met there was an aspiring premed - testified to WashU’s strengths, but also turned me off a little by probable competition and lack of other attractive major options at WashU. I felt that if I happened to NOT want to go to medical school, Rice would have better options for me to fall back on, so to speak (this was just one factor in my decision). </p>

<p>This is in spite of the fact that WashU has more grad schools and actual undergrad business program. Despite its great quality and academic reputation, it is still a very regional school with limited career opportunities (this also leads to the location/regional prestige aspect), which I’d say Emory probably suffers in a similar fashion, being in the Southeast in Atlanta, and Rice in Houston, TX. I would not say Rice has considerably better options, but again, you need to really be proactive and maximize your college experience, from networking to building relationships with professors.</p>

<p>Your case: I would go to Rice over WashU for electrical engineering. Business-wise, we have a Business Minor as well as a specialized Mathematical Economic Analysis major (Economics major + some more math/stat courses). We also have a Financial Computation and Modeling minor, if finance is up your alley. The Rice Business Plan Competition is coming up in a couple weeks (<a href=“http://www.alliance.rice.edu/alliance/RBPC.asp);%5B/url%5D”>http://www.alliance.rice.edu/alliance/RBPC.asp);</a> it’s the world’s biggest business competition with over $1 million in prizes. Rice does have a business graduate school, and with a large alumni presence in business in Houston, there’s ample opportunities to get informational interviews and network with alumni as well.</p>

<p>Like my earlier post said, you don’t need to have a business major to go into finance, or work in Fortune 500 companies, or what have you. Or even to business school. All you need to do is get a high GPA + get some relevant work experience + network with alumni. This applies to ANY school, not just Rice.</p>

<p>2. Location
Houston > St. Louis in job market and internship opportunities, hands down. This was another critical factor in my decision as well – I just dislike St. Louis and overall it’s a lower quality town than Houston. I don’t know for sure, but STL just doesn’t have great opportunities and I’d think most would move back east to DC (I’m from the Northeast myself and know tons of Northeast kids go to WashU) or up north to Chicago for internships.</p>

<p>Either way, opportunities wise, you will need to hustle, no matter which college you go to - networking is key. Going to Rice over WashU, or WashU over Rice, won’t make employers fall over themselves to offer you jobs, but again, the combination of the college name and high GPA and being proactive, will.</p>

<p>Moreover, Houston has far better weather year round (barring summer), far better restaurants, far more things to do and people to see. You might laugh, but weather actually makes a big difference (to me, anyways) - STL is pretty similar to Mid-Atlantic weather, but coming from the Northeast, I enjoy the near-constant 60s and 70s weather in Houston much more than 40s and 50s in STL.</p>

<p>Houston is the 4th biggest city in the country - and don’t be turned off by the Texas location/stereotype, it’s quite liberal. I actually didn’t like Houston the first year I was at Rice, but over time it grew on me and I find something new about it everyday; it’s so big and huge that most people who’ve lived here all their lives haven’t been to all parts of Houston (I recently discovered The Heights neighborhood the other day, it’s a pretty cool kind of indie neighborhood). There are lots of things to do too, more so than STL, I’d argue.</p>

<p>Also, a lot of things are much cheaper in Houston! Not to compromise quality, but coming from the Northeast, a house in the Northeast in DC would cost 3-5x more than a comparable house in Houston. Living standards in Houston are pretty good, I’d say. I’m quite happy with it, anyways.</p>

<p>I would say location is everything. Rice and WashU are actually in pretty good, upscale neighborhoods. </p>

<p>I would highly recommend you to visit, if possible.</p>

<p>3. People around
Kids at both schools are generally very friendly, though I would say Rice kids have been more so down-to-earth and less snobby than Northeast counterparts. There are some brilliant and intelligent kids here, but they aren’t obnoxious and stuck up. Rice kids are also typically a bit nerdy, but it’s a work hard play hard kind of environment here.</p>

<p>WashU is more similar to Northwestern in that both have somewhat weak Greek life, but Rice doesn’t have a Greek system - it has a residential college system instead. </p>

<p>Rice has a lot of international kids and a community for them, but I don’t know much more since I’m not an international. I do have international friends, so if you have specific questions, just PM me.</p>

<p>4. Campus life
WashU has better dorms, but then again, you’re paying $5-7k more per year for tuition (not including financial aid and scholarships), so I’m not surprised. The dorms at Rice actually quite vary, some are quite nice, especially in the new colleges, while others at older colleges aren’t so great. It’s kind of luck of the draw…</p>

<p>I’d say overall, WashU probably has better on campus food than Rice does, but Houston has MUCH better food off campus. Tons of excellent, amazing restaurants here.</p>

<p>In Houston, it’s somewhat convenient - there are shuttle buses to take you to Target or go to Rice Village on the weekends. There’s a metro rail that can take you to places as well, but it’s limited if it’s not where you want to go. Since it’s Houston, do know that if you want to get anywhere farther than 2 miles within campus, you need a car. But just find some kids who brought cars with them and hitch a ride or something.</p>

<p>Not sure about WashU, but I imagine they have similar shuttle bus runs.</p>

<p>Campus life wise, I’d say both probably are pretty even in terms of students being happy with campus life.</p>

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<p>This is just my two cents. Feel free to shoot me a PM if you have any more questions.</p>