<p>endowment per student means a lot. it means, for example, that princeton can fully endow its financial aid and athletic programs, while schools more heavily endowed in the absolute sense cannot.</p>
<p>The reason why I have to post the same stats 5 times --- well, it's not sinking in!!</p>
<p>It's kind of like talking to members of the Flat Earth Society or proponents of Intelligent Design. No matter how much factual evidence you provide, they just don't get it. "Yale is by far the strongest school in the sciences" LOL!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>well, that about does it. Harvard is the best. Now what's left to discuss?? Anyone have a good meatloaf recipe?</p>
<p>I think Yale is to be congratulated for having 3 of the 20 USAToday Academic All American 1st team members. None for Princeton, surprisingly, since I thought they were supposed to be going head-to-head with Harvard and Yale for the "academic 1's" these days.</p>
<p>none for MIT either. must be a crummy school.</p>
<p>Did Joey apply there, scottie?</p>
<p>you've been showing a serious lack of duende lately.</p>
<p>Of course Harvard had the most. A lot of good people on that list (1st team)...</p>
<p>lol USA Today notified all the teams and the honorable mentions, but I never got a letter so imagine my surprise to see my name while scrolling through the third team list! :p</p>
<p>A good "update" item! </p>
<p>Harvard really uses the USAToday lists as a competitive yardstick!</p>
<p>. "Analyzed light spectra from 53 failed stars, finding the means to estimate age and mass...?"</p>
<p>Harvard was jealous Yale had someone like posterX, so I guess the institution went and found itself ske293.</p>
<p>Byerly--Indeed, that's the one :)</p>
<p>Well, maybe I was a bit too harsh. If there are any bruised egos out there, remember you can still apply to Harvard for grad school.</p>
<p>Yale is a fine school with a very good science program... It just doesn't come anywhere close to Harvard, that's all.</p>
<p>I'd say it "comes pretty close", given the following combined with the fact that Harvard is nearly twice as large as Yale in # of students:</p>
<p>Federal research support, 20042005
$$$</p>
<p>Yale 415.4 million
Harvard 507.9 million<br>
Cornell 381.0 million
Stanford 484.6 million<br>
Emory 261.2 million
Princeton 114.0 million
MIT 424.0 million
Rice 59.0 million</p>
<p>I have a question going back to the philosophy discussion before. The so called "Yale school of Deconstruction" was a major force in past decades, so I assume that some part of Derrida nad his followers have left their mark on the school. Or, to put it in other words, the specter of Derrida must still haunt the Yale campus, no?</p>
<p>I realize this is a pretty esoteric question so if anyone has any answer, I'll be pretty surprised.</p>
<p>I haven't checked this site in a while. The number you cite, $507.9 million, do not include any faculty who are physically located at one of Harvard hospitals, ie. Mass General, Brigham and Women's, Boston Children's, Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, plus a few others. These hospitals are in fact the #1, 2, 3, 4, 5 non-profit recipients of federal research funding in the country. As I mentioned before, Mass General and Brigham and Women's together bring in a billion dollars in NIH and private foundation sponsored research grants. These hospital faculty include members of the Harvard Medical School basic science departments such as Cell Biology, Systems Biology, Biological Chemistry, Genetics, and Neurobiology, as well as clinical departments such as Internal Medicine, Neurology, etc. etc. Whenever a faculty has an affiliation with a hospital, that grant is assigned to the hospital, not to Harvard. The actual NIH money received by Harvard faculty each year is around $1.5 billion. This is not including other governmental support such as National Science Foundation, the Department of the Army, and private sources, such as the Howard Hughes Medical Institute. </p>
<p>In contrast, Yale's number includes faculty at the Yale-New Haven Hospital, their only famous hospital. So Harvard's research dwarfs Yale's by a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge margin both by scale and by quality. I might also mention that virtually every single one of Harvard hospitals are leaders in research (#1 through #5, see above) and clinical care. Comprehensive hospitals such as Mass General and Brigham and Women's, and specialty hospitals such as Dana-Farber, Children's, Mass Eye and Ear, Spaulding Rehab, McLean, all these hospitals are ranked at the top in their fields. Both Mass General and Brigham and Women's are in the U.S. News Honor Roll of top 15 hospitals in the country. I'm not sure if the Yale-New Haven Hospital has ever gotten on that list. It hasn't been for the past 5 years at least.</p>
<p>PosterX, the facts simply are not on your side. Please stop making preposterous claims. I'm not somebody who likes to brag about the greatness of my school - I have things to do and places to go - but I'm compelled to point out things just to neutralize your tiresome distortions. Yale is a great school in its own way; just be proud of it as it is. Germany, England, Japan, China, Russia, these are all great nations in their own right (OK, maybe not Russia) and their citizens should be proud to live there. However, they do not compare to the U.S.A. in many key aspects and they shouldn't delude themselves into thinking they are. They shouldn't be claiming that they are just as powerful economically, militarily, or scientifically as the U.S.A. Similarly, Yale shouldn't delude itself into thinking that it comes close to Harvard in terms of academics, resources, scientific achievement, and the overall contribution to our country.</p>
<p>Harvard is to the Ivy League as the U.S.A. is to the G8. Just remember that and you will be fine.</p>
<p>Also, please provide links to back up your claims. I've noticed that you have a strong tendency to make up numbers. It would be OK with someone else but with you, every number has to be verifiable because you are such a liar.</p>
<p>The numbers are direct from the Washington University website, <a href="http://facts.wustl.edu/comparison.htm%5B/url%5D">http://facts.wustl.edu/comparison.htm</a>. One disclaimer about these numbers are that they include the APL, which is a federal lab that's under the JHU umbrella, but located 45 minutes from the JHU campus. That's why the JHU number is so inflated. Anyhow, they are correct. </p>
<p>Also, I might add that Harvard's medical facilities, while great, are located at a great distance from the central Harvard campus. Yale's medical school is within a few blocks walking distance of the undergraduate dorms.</p>
<p>Furthermore, in terms of scientific research quality - the quality of scientists per student, research per student, etc., - Yale matches or surpasses Harvard on many fronts.</p>
<p>Well, let's go to the source. According to the NIH website:
<a href="http://grants2.nih.gov/grants/award/trends/rnk04all1to500.htm%5B/url%5D">http://grants2.nih.gov/grants/award/trends/rnk04all1to500.htm</a></p>
<p>NIH grants in thousands of dollars in 2004 were:</p>
<p>YALE UNIVERSITY 323614
STANFORD UNIVERSITY 301734
JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY 599151
PRINCETON UNIVERSITY 38329</p>
<p>For Yale, Stanford, and Hopkins, the numbers include the amount given to the hospitals. </p>
<p>For Harvard,
HARVARD UNIVERSITY (not including hospitals) 325,665
MASSACHUSETTS GENERAL HOSPITAL 285112
BRIGHAM AND WOMEN'S HOSPITAL 231412
DANA-FARBER CANCER INSTITUTE 122128
BETH ISRAEL DEACONESS MEDICAL CENTER 114564
CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL (BOSTON) 99572
CBR INSTITUTE FOR BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH 29578
JOSLIN DIABETES CENTER 26773
MC LEAN HOSPITAL 26332
MASSACHUSETTS EYE AND EAR INFIRMARY 16698
SCHEPENS EYE RESEARCH INSTITUTE 16251
HARVARD PILGRIM HEALTH CARE, INC 5070
FORSYTH INSTITUTE 11594</p>
<p>The grand total for Harvard is 1,310,749 for 2004, which is more than twice Hopkins, and more than 4 times Yale. The current number, I remember hearing, is over 1.5 billion.</p>
<p>Here you go again. "Grants per student", how is that meaningful? If the income per capita in Luxemberg (a tiny country shoved inbetween France and Germany) is higher than that of the U.S., does it mean that it's a greater economic power than the U.S.? Do you care more if you have more books per student or whether the library has the book you are looking for?</p>
<p>Anyway, since you insist, if you look at the enrollment data:</p>
<p><a href="http://vpf-web.harvard.edu/budget/factbook/%5B/url%5D">http://vpf-web.harvard.edu/budget/factbook/</a><br>
<a href="http://www.yale.edu/oir/factsheet.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.yale.edu/oir/factsheet.html</a> </p>
<p>Harvard College vs. Yale College 6563 vs. 5316
College plus GSAS 10201 vs. 7838
College, GSAS, Med School 10967 vs. 8281</p>
<p>Even if you divided by the number of students, Harvard NIH grants is still 3 times higher than Yale's. What do you say to that?</p>
<p>Mass General, Mass Eye and Ear, Schepens Eye Institute, Spaulding Rehab are all located together, a 10 minute subway ride from the Harvard Square subway stop. Brigham and women's, Children's, Dana-Farber, and all the others are located a 20 minute Harvard shuttle bus ride from Harvard Square. Many undergraduates do research at the medical school during the term and during the summer.</p>
<p>When I was visiting Yale, I had to take a shuttle bus from the undergrad biology building to the Medical Center. It's not two blocks down the street as you suggest.</p>
<p>That would more likely be found in the English department, though Paul DeMan's demise, both physically and reputationally, may have put a damper on it -- not to mention the advent of colonial/feminist/queer studies.</p>
<p>How is "grants per student" meaningful? It reflects the ability that students have to take part in research at the undergraduate level. Location factors are also important (such as the fact that Cornell and Harvard's medical schools are remote to the undergraduate dormitories, whereas Yale's is just a few blocks from the undergraduate dormitories). In terms of central campus grants per undergraduate student (and funding per student), Yale, MIT and Caltech far surpass Harvard.</p>
<p>Luxembourg versus the United States is not at all a valid comparison, given that, in terms of overall research impact as measured across all scientific journals in the entire world, Harvard and Yale are both within the top five in the world (Harvard, Stanford, MIT, UCSD and Yale are the top five; see the Nov-Dec 2002 issue of Sciencewatch, which is published by the ISI, the world's most respected organization for scientific information).</p>