<p>"It is also worth pointing out that on the flipside, Harvard Law has had 12 SC Justices vs. Yale Laws 9"</p>
<p>Actually, 17 Supreme Court justices received Harvard Law School degrees (Melville Fuller, Benjamin Curtis, Horace Grace, Henry Brown, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Louis Brandeis, Edward Sanford, Felix Frankfurter, Harold Burton, William Brennan, Harry Blackmum, Lewis Powell, Antonin Scalia, Anthony Kennedy, David Souter, Stephen Breyer, and John Roberts). In addition, 2 other justices attended Harvard Law School although they did not receive the J.D. (William Moody and Ruth Bader Ginsburg). William Renquist has an M.A. from Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences.
Altogether, that is a total of 20 Supreme Court Justices who went to graduate school at Harvard.</p>
<p>He is correct about the 9 justices who went to Yale Law School (David Davis, William Story, Henry Brown, George Shiras, Sherman Minton, Potter Stewart, Byron White, Abe Fortas, and Clarence Thomas).</p>
<p>I think most reasonable people would agree that George S' claim is simply not tenable based on factual evidence. Personally, I don't believe that a single educational institution can be "dominant" in politics because of the intrinsic nature of politics. Those with great political skills have often attended obscure schools and sometimes did not even get a college education. Yale has, of course, produced more than its share of political leaders in this country, but it is hardly the "best prep for great leaders". My posts above make it clear that Yale has not even produced the largest number of such leaders.</p>
<p>George S and Poster X and the like are of course free to fantasize to their heart's content but they should exercise a little more caution before presenting fantasy as fact in a public forum.</p>
<p>since this is an HYP thread, i should point out that, despite having the smallest undergraduate student body of the three and being the only one without a law school of its own, princeton has actually produced the most supreme court justices: 10, including the court's latest addition, samuel alito, class of 1972.</p>
<ol>
<li>william paterson 1793-1806</li>
<li>oliver ellsworth 1796-1800 (chief justice)</li>
<li>h. brockholst livingston 1807-23</li>
<li>smith thompson 1823-43</li>
<li>william johnson, jr. 1804-34 ("the first dissenter")</li>
<li>peter v. daniel 1842-60</li>
<li>james moore wayne 1835-67</li>
<li>mahlon pitney 1912-22</li>
<li>john marshall harlan 1955-71</li>
<li>samuel a. alito, jr. 2006-present</li>
</ol>
<p>I think it's also interesting to point out that Stanford has had four Supreme Court justices since the university's founding, which was only a century-plus ago. So while Stanford comparatively looks worse when put next to HYP, most of those schools' justices served before Stanford was founded (7 of the 10 in Princeton's case, for example).</p>
<p>ske293, nice research.<br>
If you adjust for both the undergrad and law class sizes between harvard and yale, you will see that they end up about the same in most of your categories.</p>
<p>"Of course Yale recognizes it is, at best, a second choice school."</p>
<p>I'm sorry, but this is just astonishingly...false. Yale is not "at best a second-choice school". I don't just "know of a girl"; there are many, many, many students who would rather go to Yale than Harvard (just as there are many, many, many students who would rather go to Harvard than Yale). I will even grant you that there very well may be MORE students who would pick Harvard over Yale. But that does not mean that Yale is second-choice at best, considering that thousands of students every year single it out as their first choice. How about all the students who used to apply early to Yale instead of Harvard back when Yale's early application program was binding? How about the students (I'm sorry I can't cite a number for you, but I am confident that the number is substantial) who are admitted to both and choose Yale? I was admitted early to Yale this year, and two nights ago, I got a phone call from the Harvard admissions office telling me that I have been admitted there as well. I now have a very, very, very tough decision before me. No matter what choice I eventually make, the very fact that the choice is so difficult is enough to show that Yale is not, at best, second-choice. Finally, I feel obligated to add that, in the search for information to assist me in my difficult decision, input like yours is less than helpful.</p>
<p>Ummm... did you notice how DEAD this thread has been? The last post was in July of 2006. Congrats however. Visit the two and get a feel. It appears to me that as far as "customer satisfaction" Yalies tend to enjoy their experience much more -- for what that's worth.</p>
<p>remember that the last 3 presidents have ties to Yale, as does a certain presidential candidate, senator and wife of one of those men. The rival candidate in her party has is a Harvard Law grad.</p>
<p>Princeton gets no love unfortunately, although Sup. Ct. Justice Alito is an alum.</p>
<p>screw the statistics... none of these schools even have business programs, and how well you do in your postgraduate career is going to depend on YOU, not your college (especially considering that you're debating between three schools that are very much peers). </p>
<p>You don't sound like a crazy obsessed workaholic to me. Visit each of the schools and choose the one where you're happiest.</p>
<p>That's right, Kwijiborjt! They are all phenomenal schools and by visiting you will have a sense of where you would be happiest and most successful. </p>
<p>BTW - DD was accepted at all three and chose to go to Yale. NOT a second choice for her.</p>
<p>Is it true that pple who get into an Ivy....are accepted into other ivy s too
Like I know I'm not getting into harvard coz I didn't get an interview call from there...does that mean my chances of getting into yale and princeton are slim too?</p>