<p>Please read the post again. The kid got into HPS, UPenn and Columbia. His dad ruled out Princeton.</p>
<p>What goes on inside - Some of the students are not allowed membership because some junior or senior says so?</p>
<p>Hanna, the single biggest disappointment in not being admited to a “group” at Princeton that I personally observerd at Princeton was not an Eating Club rejection, but instead it was for not being selected to the acappella singing group The Tigertones and instead having to settle for Nassoons. The student in this case was a 3rd generation Princetonian and came from a family of Tigertone members.</p>
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<p>texaspg, yes - at Harvard the juniors and seniors determine who gets into the selective Finals Clubs, and this also happens at the selective Penn and Stanford Frats and Sororities. </p>
<p>Do you have a problem with this?</p>
<p>Are you not going to allow a student to go to Harvard, Stanford or Penn because its Juniors and Seniors are involved in selecting the members to these selective “groups”?</p>
<p>I would go with Stanford! Hands down! Mostly because your environment around you affects your studies. TRUST ME! You can go to a top school with good academics but you will not like it there if you don’t like your surroundings!</p>
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<p>Why did you address only one statistic out of the slew of statistics that your own newspaper presented?</p>
<p>The fact that a large portion of Princeton’s students and alumni continually call for the end of eating clubs as they’re instituted now (their argument seems to be that all eating clubs should be sign-in) illustrates the point that outsiders think: that eating clubs are elitist.</p>
<p>There are tons of articles in the Prince saying this. Your own people even think they’re elitist. Even some people in the eating clubs admit that they’re elitist!</p>
<p>Really, the fact that you’re fighting this so hard is admirable, but there’s just no way around it: they’re elitist, not just in terms of race, but in income as well apparently.</p>
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<p>Again, the eating clubs are not the same. You’re attempting to compare Princeton eating clubs to the Greek organizations at Stanford–but that doesn’t make sense, because Princeton has frats and sororities in addition to its eating clubs. If you want to compare them, then compare the Greek organizations at both. But don’t bring eating clubs into the mess, because they’re a whole different beast. We all can see this. You’re the only one who apparently can’t.</p>
<p>I think Princeton is a great school and have nothing against it. I see you are defending her with all it takes and it is good to see this passion. I wish we had a tour guide like you when we visited!</p>
<p>I am passing on how it is perceived just so you know. I went to a few of the presentations, heard the princeton reps and went ok, that whole thing sounds odd but it is not my problem at this point. I was quite surprised when this parent told me he felt they were elitist (he considers food a basic right and if there are places on a campus that have different foods and you want to pay for it, you should be able to get to it).</p>
<p>Let me give you another theory and I am just making it up. If Princeton was in a major city where people had access to various other eateries like Boston, New York or Philly, I suspect it would nt have mattered. Being a closed in campus with very few students even having cars on campus probably makes it annoying that there are some good eating places you are not allowed into. It is food after all.</p>
<p>I would choose Princeton. I love to eat.</p>
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<p>so texaspg, are you now saying that the Yale Secret Societies, the Stanford and Penn Frats and Sororities and the Harvard Final Clubs should all open their doors to the rest of the students because they offer better food than what the University offers?</p>
<p>is this what you are saying?</p>
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<p>phanta, the Princeton Greek system doesn’t have physical locations and Greeks can and do join Eating Clubs, so they won’t be discussed here, particularly because it is the Eating Clubs that you personally are claiming are elitist.</p>
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<p>please explain why you state that the Princeton Eating Clubs, of which only 5 of the 10 are selective, are elitist, but Yale’s Secret Societies, Harvard’s Final Clubs and Stanford and Penn’s Frats and Sororities aren’t elitist?</p>
<p>please explain</p>
<p>Yale’s Secret Societies are small, and are only for seniors, and they are (more or less) secret. They have very little impact on the life of the campus. Most people aren’t tapped for one, and most of them don’t care in the least. When I went to Yale (30 years ago) not a single person I knew was in one (as far as I know). And they were a bigger deal then than they are now.</p>
<p>The discussion of Princeton’s eating clubs is really just like the discussion of Greek life at many other campuses (although I guess Princeton has some kind of Greek life, too). When evaluating the Greek life on a campus, the relevant questions include:
- What percentage of the campus is involved?
- To what extent do the organizations dominate social life?
- How exclusive are the organizations?
- How blatant is the hierarchy of the organizations?
From the discussion above, you can get a pretty good idea of the answers to these questions at Princeton. Some people don’t want to go to a college where there is an institutionalized social hierarchy. Of course, there are elements of social hierarchy at every campus, but how strong it is varies. Yale’s residential college system cuts against it, while Princeton’s eating club system reinforces it. I’m sure there are plenty of people at Princeton who aren’t in eating clubs and don’t care about them, and are having a great time there. But there may be people for whom that social environment is not a good fit.</p>
<p>Some of Yale’s secret clubs are becoming detrimental to Yale as a whole based on getting on police blotters. Do you really want to be portrayed in the same light for comparison?</p>
<p>It was a non-secret Greek fraternity that caused the most recent bad PR for Yale. I’m not aware of such problems with the secret societies, except for a claim some time ago that Skull and Bones had Geronimo’s skull.</p>
<p>[Yale</a> Police Department investigates Pundit party | Yale Daily News](<a href=“http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2011/mar/03/police-probe-party/]Yale”>http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2011/mar/03/police-probe-party/)</p>
<p>Is the senior prank society not secret? does nt sound like it is Greek though.</p>
<p>I didn’t think the Pundits were secret, but maybe they are. I was thinking about DKE.</p>
<p>I think Title IX investigation is all encompassing and although they started with the DKE video, they will probably throw in the kitchen sink to make an example of Yale. </p>
<p>I read several different versions of the story about Pundits and I thought one of them said secret but this story says it was by invitation only for initiation. This story got buried once the Fed investigation came out.</p>
<p>I read that the police closed their investigation of the Pundits party, but I think it’s still under review by the University. There was an editorial in the Yale Daily News saying that it should have gotten more attention.</p>
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<p>Any ideas as to why fewer apply to Yale and Princeton and even fewer to MIT? </p>
<p>Ivy Admits Applic Rate
Brown 2,692 30,946 8.70%
Columb 2,419 34,929 6.93%
Harvard 2,158 34,950 6.17%
MIT 1,715 17,909 9.58%
Princeton 2,282 27,189 8.39%
Stanford 2,427 34,348 7.07%
Yale 2,006 27,282 7.35%</p>
<p>MIT - Because it is perceived as a tech school with too much pressure/competition once you get in. Only people really interested in MIT apply there.</p>
<p>Princeton is also considered hard in terms of curriculum but some people who are interested in medicine, business, and law want to see some of those affiliated schools in order to get some intern experience or take some classes etc. Princeton is considered to have a great focused undergrad but slightly lacking because of the missing professional schools (I am definitely not blaming eating clubs Japanoko!). </p>
<p>Yale - I have nt figured that out - Hunt is the expert here!</p>
<p>Application #s move up and down over time for non-substantive reasons. Universities are subject to fads and trends just like other consumer brands. MIT has more of a niche brand, but which of HYPSetc. gets the most apps from one cycle to the next is marketing noise IMHO.</p>