<p>texaspg/Hanna - what you said about MIT made sense…, but the 20% fewer applications to YP is too big a diff to be explained by normal fluctuations. There might be some underlying reasons. </p>
<p>Anyways, my question is purely a trivial curiosity.</p>
<p>You should look at last year’s numbers to make a true judgement.</p>
<p>Rather than saying Yale and Princeton have low numbers with no justification, you have to look at the fact that the numbers for Harvard and Stanford are going up steadily each year while the others are not. Columbia is an aberration that can only be explained by them joining commonapp (thinking about it, MIT may have a common app issue as well - not being part of it). </p>
<p>2010 numbers.</p>
<p>Columbia 1,419 2,397 26,178
Cornell 3,181 6,541 36,337
Darthmouth 1,094 2,159 18,778
Harvard 1,663 2,110 30,489
MIT 1,072 1,611 16,632
Penn 2,404 3,780 27,000
Princeton 1,300 2,148 26,247
Stanford 1,700 2,300 32,022
Yale 1,305 1,951 25,869</p>
<p>BTW, came across this cross-admit comparison tool…interesting, only another data point. You can pair up any two schools. </p>
<p>The http link does not show up correctly. </p>
<p>It is at http:\college. mychances. net. Notice the spaces added so the link shows up.</p>
<p>Come on guys, the answer is very simple and right in front of you. MIT, as stated is more specialized and attracts most science/engineering types. In addition MIT has the smallest undergraduate enrollment.</p>
<p>Yale and Princeton have the lowest number of applications because, together with MIT and Dartmouth, they have the lowest amount of undergraduates in the above comparison, and as you can see below, the highest ratio of applicants to class enrollment size:</p>
<p>Ratio of Applications to Class Size (Class of 2014)
20.2 - Princeton 1,300 2,148 26,247
19.8 - Yale 1,305 1,951 25,869
18.8 - Stanford 1,700 2,300 32,022
18.4 - Columbia 1,419 2,397 26,178*
18.3 - Harvard 1,663 2,110 30,489
17.1 - Dartmouth 1,094 2,159 18,778
15.5 - MIT 1,072 1,611 16,632
11.4 - Cornell 3,181 6,541 36,337
11.2 - Penn 2,404 3,780 27,000</p>
<p>*note: Columbia figures are only for 75% of undergraduates (Columbia College and Fu Engineering School)</p>
<p>one other change with Columbia is that it moved up to 5 from 8 or 9. Major jump…</p>
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<p>Princeton’s application numbers have gone up for something like 7 straight years.</p>
<p>texaspg - yah, what you said is true, the diff was only about ~16% vs. ~20% this year. One layer of onion off, the next is why the numbers climb much more and faster at HS. Not being a part of common apps is a problem for MIT. Columbia’s big jump supports it.</p>
<p>Japanoko’s chart makes sense. This shows 2015 class to be…</p>
<p>Columbia 24.62 1,419 2,419 34,929
Cornell 11.44 3,181 6,534 36,392
Darthmouth 20.46 1,094 2,178 22,385
Harvard 21.05 1,663 2,158 35,000
MIT 16.71 1,072 1,715 17,909
Penn 13.17 2,404 3,880 31,659
Princeton 20.91 1,300 2,282 27,189
Stanford 20.21 1,700 2427 34,350
Yale 20.17 1,350 2,006 27,230</p>
<p>Are there more than 1419 seats in Columbia? HYPS finally makes sense at 20-21 apps per seat!</p>
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<p>pretty scary stuff how HYPS (and Dartmouth) fall into this range eh?</p>
<p>It would be interesting to see how WASP compares.</p>
<p>japanoko and texaspg - apps/seat ratio is a new view I never thought of, very interesting and the ratios for HYPS are all in the 20-21 range. What still puzzles me is applicants don’t reference this ratio in deciding which schools to apply to or not, and the HYPS don’t control the number of apps that come in. Also, why the apps climb up so much more and faster at HS than YP in recently years. There may be no particular reason. It is just the market forces at work.</p>
<p>Princeton increased seats by a 100 each year for a three year period (I think 2010 was the last increase) during which period their applications kept going up each year. So they went from 1000 to 1300 and then decided to stay put.</p>
<p>However, Yale does surprise me a bit. Their numbers have nt budged much in two to three years which means their ratio was better in the past.</p>
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<p>what are you talking about?</p>
<p>Princeton’s number of applications increased by about 20% from the class of 2013 to the class of 2014</p>
<p>[Ivy</a> League Admission Statistics for Class of 2015 Hernandez College Consulting, Inc. and Ivy League Admission Help](<a href=“http://www.hernandezcollegeconsulting.com/ivy-league-admissions-statistics/]Ivy”>http://www.hernandezcollegeconsulting.com/ivy-league-admissions-statistics/)</p>
<p>Ivy League, Stanford and MIT – 5 Years Trends</p>
<p>Early + Regular Applications
2015 2014 2013 2012 2011 </p>
<p>Brown 31,000 30,136 24,988 20,633 19,097
Columbia 34,587 26,178 25,428 22,585 21,343
Cornell 36,273 36,338 34,381 33,073 30,383
Dartmouth 21,700 18,778 18,130 16,538 14,176
Harvard 35,000 30,489 29,112 27,462 22,955
Penn 31,651 26,938 22,939 22,922 22,646
Princeton 27,115 26,247 21,964 21,369 18,942
Yale 27,230 25,869 26,003 22,817 19,323
Stanford 34,200 32,022 30,429 25,298 23,958
MIT 17,908 16,632 15,661 13,396 12,445
Total 296,664 269,627 249,035 226,093 205,268 </p>
<p>Ivy League, Stanford and MIT – 5 Years Annual Changes</p>
<p>Change in Volume
Early + Regular Applications Change
14 to 15 Change, 13 to 14 Change, 12 to 13 Change,
11 to 12 Change, 11 to 15 Change</p>
<p>Brown 2.87% 20.60% 21.11% 8.04% 62.33%
Columbia 32.12% 2.95% 12.59% 5.82% 62.05%
Cornell -0.18% 5.69% 3.95% 8.85% 19.39%
Dartmouth 15.56% 3.57% 9.63% 16.66% 53.08%
Harvard 14.80% 4.73% 6.01% 19.63% 52.47%
Penn 17.50% 17.43% 0.07% 1.22% 39.76%
Princeton 3.31% 19.50% 2.78% 12.81% 43.15%
Yale 5.26% -0.52% 13.96% 18.08% 40.92%
Stanford 6.80% 5.24% 20.28% 5.59% 42.75%
MIT 7.67% 6.20% 16.91% 7.64% 43.90%
Total 10.03% 8.27% 10.15% 10.15% 44.53%</p>
<p>So, in order of Class of 2011-2015 pecent change</p>
<p>62% - Brown
62 – Columbia</p>
<p>53 – Darmouth
52 – Harvard</p>
<p>44 – MIT
43 – Princeton
43 – Stanford
41 – Yale
40 – Penn</p>
<p>19 – Cornell</p>
<p>45 – Average</p>
<p>^^^^^one has to wonder what percent of these application increase has to do with an increased number of applications/student.</p>
<p>The Harvard/Princeton SCEA that will be initiated for the Class of 2016 will have some effect in slowing the increase in applications/students to the above universities</p>
<p>Yale and Stanford applications as well as rest of Ivies with ED will definitely have to go down to make room for Harvard and Princeton.</p>
<p>japanoko - thanks for the good work/cal to give the historical perspective. I took your data and cal-ed the following - premature for me to think that apps rise at HS was a bit faster. This looks true a bit from 2014-2015. Otherwise, number of apps at YP consistently lagged that at HS by about 17-18% with rise of apps across the board. </p>
<p>Class 2015 2014 2013 2012 2011
HS 69,200 62,511 59,541 52,760 46,913
YP 54,345 52,116 47,967 44,186 38,265
% less 21.5 16.6 19.4 16.3 18.4</p>
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<p>That statement is just plain snarky. There is a page about research opportunities for undergrads on Stanford’s admissions web page. See
[Research</a> Opportunities : Stanford University](<a href=“Page Not Found : Stanford University”>Page Not Found : Stanford University) It’s not big on statistics, but Stanford’s admissions office feels the need to talk about undergraduate research opportunities–for that matter, so does MIT. The statistics are far from “pointless”-there are some first class research institutions in the US at which it’s hard for UGs to do real research. I’m NOT claiming Stanford is among them–just that it’s not so self -evident that it’s unnecessary for Stanford to talk about them. Moreover, the OP didn’t say she didn’t think they existed at Stanford, just that Yale is also strong in that regard. </p>
<p>As for your comments about my remarks about intramurals, I didn’t invent the comment. I said I may be out of date. Have Stanford IMs always been based on where you live? If there are theme houses and some of the themed houses are based on ethnicity, then even if half the residents are not of the ethnicity, is it possible that some of the sports teams for these houses are overwhelmingly made up of that ethnic group? I don’t know. All I know is that the information came from someone who went to Stanford. It was about 8 years ago now, so perhaps things have changed. It caused him to quite playing IMs. He loved Stanford and had a great time there. It was just one thing he disliked.</p>
<p>Three years ago Princeton, then Harvard, then other Ivies + Stanford + MIT and the top LACs revamped their Financial Aid models to reach out the the middle class. This would account for a good percentage of the popularity increase. It is not uncommon now for a HYPS student to pay less there than at the State Flagship.</p>
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<p>well - that makes sense, since when you look at size of entering classes, Harvard and Stanford combined have 22.5% more students than Princeton and Yale combined</p>
<p>japanoko - it is a kind interesting how it worked out this way. Surely kids did not think about the class sizes and did not collaborate. all the kids (a dozen or so) that I know applied to one of HYPS applied to all. I was expecting to see the similar # of apps at HYPS.</p>