you guys, i have a problem, specifically, my SAT's |:

<p>got my scores today and while i did do better, i didn't do as well as i wanted. </p>

<p>and i wonder, combined with everything else, just how much that will hurt my chances</p>

<p>here's my first chance thread</p>

<p>now, with a score of 1820 (i'm quite embarrassed to post this but whatever) do you still think i have a chance?</p>

<p>i can't stop thinking about a comment on bwog i read though, </p>

<p>"I understand the rationale for doing this: poor first-generation kids aren’t applying to Columbia because we don’t use the Common App. But I question whether this will really have a net benefit for Columbia. Now all the ******s who apply to Columbia as a 4th choice will apply (since it’s so accessible), be admitted, and leave us for another school. The application quantity will soar, and the selectivity will nosedive, but so will the yield. More importantly, less-than-stellar applicants who would make a great addition to the school will be boxed out by Ivy whores. I suppose it was inevitable, but it is still sad to see this happening."</p>

<p>i really hope that doesn't happen. what do y'all think?</p>

<p>you bring a lot of enthusiasm to the table. the SAT is just piece in a very complex puzzle.</p>

<p>is that a good thing or a bad thing? about enthusiasm, haha.</p>

<p>i mean, yeah, i’m pretty enthusiastic about columbia, for sure. which is why i’ve applied ED and all. for me going to columbia isn’t about going to a good college or achieving a dream, it’s about life. columbia is representative of everything i look for in a school. so i don’t just like the school or like one aspect of it, i love it for what it stands for and i want to be a part of it.</p>

<p>While the transition to the Common App will encourage applications from applicants who are strong but desire to go to other Ivies, and it’s possible they could “take spots” from weaker applicants who actually want to go to Columbia, I don’t think we’ll see this on a very large scale. Make no mistake: the decision to switch to the Common App is a major change in Columbia’s admissions philosophy, which has both positive and negative implications, but it probably won’t have a major impact on admissions. That Bwog comment, which I wrote last March, is unnecessarily alarmist and hyperbolic.</p>

<p>woah, you wrote that? kinda weird. i mean, that i posted it here and you were the one that wrote it and all…</p>

<p>i guess i’m just a little worried. i feel as if my score being so low compared to the middle 50% of those admitted just dropped my chances to subzero.</p>

<p>like I said, you have many unique qualities that set you apart, and admissions will surely acknowledge that.</p>

<p>The truth, OP, is that you have a statistically very low chance of admittance. You’re correct that most of the applicants, particularly in the ED round, will have much better SAT scores than yours, which makes you a comparatively less attractive applicant. It doesn’t mean that it’s impossible for you to be admitted. Admissions committees are human; if you have something that really stands out and makes you an extraordinarily compelling applicant, then you could still be admitted. But in all likelihood, you won’t be accepted. And that’s fine. It doesn’t mean that you’re a bad person or a dumb person, and it doesn’t even mean that you did something wrong on your application. It certainly doesn’t mean that you’re not necessarily “Columbia material,” just that you weren’t admitted to the Columbia class of 2015. (But honestly, you’re probably more qualified in many ways than the students who attended Columbia 20 years ago.) It just means that this year, there were applicants who appealed to the admissions committee more, and were therefore selected to fill a tiny number of slots.</p>

<p>Human nature is such that we always want what other people can’t have, because we want something to be unique to us. Even if something has no inherent value, it seems attractive just because not everyone can have it. Possessing something that others don’t have makes us unique in some small way. That’s why rejection always stings, even when the object of our desires isn’t all that great to begin with. Columbia is pretty great, and there are many reasons to love it, but it’s not undeniably perfect. If you’re admitted, there will be times when you’re ecstatic and others when you’re depressed or upset. The same is true if you’re not admitted. Your life will be very different depending on whether or not you attend Columbia, but it won’t be absolutely better or worse.</p>

<p>You say you have a problem, because your SAT scores are lower than you expected and you therefore have a lower chance of admission at Columbia. It does require you to change your expectations, and to accept that you probably won’t be admitted to Columbia. It means that you’ll no longer be able to imagine your college experience as taking the subway uptown and then sitting on the Low steps (though we have an open campus, so you could still sit on the Steps with all the Asian tourists if you’d like). But you’ll find another college, envision yourself there, and then enjoy yourself. Of course, I can tell you hundreds of things that make Columbia amazing, but I’m biased because I’ve never been anywhere else. True, there are some things that are uniquely amazing about Columbia, but that won’t prevent you from having an amazing time at another college, once you learn what makes it unique and interesting and why its students love it.</p>

<p>Don’t interpret this as a disguised statement of no-confidence; you still might be admitted, despite your relatively low SAT score. I’m happy that you love and appreciate Columbia, and that you applied here ED. I did the same thing. But you have to take care not to become so blinded by your love for Columbia and the college experience that you’re unable to imagine yourself being happy anywhere else. Although I applied ED to Columbia, I fully accepted that I probably wouldn’t be admitted (despite a relatively high SAT score), and started to fall in love with other schools. I was fortunate enough to be admitted, and Columbia has fulfilled many (though not all) of my expectations so far. But I know that even had I not been admitted to Columbia, I could still be happy. And I know that so long as you’re open-minded, you’ll have a great college experience wherever you go. Just make sure that you research and fully understand all the other schools you apply to, so that you can fall in love with them the same way you already have with Columbia.</p>

<p>Pwoods,
Sad but true :frowning: for all of us.
You write well at 2 am.</p>

<p>pwoods, thank you. :)</p>

<p>“And I know that so long as you’re open-minded, you’ll have a great college experience wherever you go.”</p>

<p>Wombatlikewoah, I got 2000 after expecting 2200 (I got it consistently on practice tests). Both of us applied ED to Columbia with scores lower than their middle 50%.
This is random but give me a chance on this one: 1419 accepted every year. 354 wouldn’t have met the middle SAT scores. Columbia’s classes consist of 17% internationals: 60 kids. Assuming half are superstars, athletes, founders of non-profit organizations, legacies, etc: 30 other kids have great ECs, recommendations and essays and have not met the SAT middle 50% scores. I don’t know why I did this- it’s not accurate and i HATE math, but the ‘30’ made me smile :)</p>

<p>I’m retaking SAT in December (dedicated to my RD choices :slight_smile: ). Are you?</p>

<p>nah, i’m not. cause my 1820 is good enough for all of the other colleges that i’m hoping to get into, it’s just a reach for columbia.</p>

<p>what i’m thinking is, my resume, if you will, is pretty good compared to the other applicants. i’ve got the strong ec’s and rec letters and essays, and the challenging course load and good grades. the only place that i don’t shine is the SAT’s, at least, by the standards of the middle 50% of those admitted to columbia. if i get a good score on the subject tests, so that the only “stain” on my resume is my SAT’s, then my chances shouldn’t be that low, right? i don’t mean to be cocky, just real, but my transcripts show that i’ve got what it takes, i certainly have the passion, i’m just hoping with all i can that my SAT’s. aren’t the thing that gets me put in the “bad” pile. i definitely want to be part of those ~354 that didn’t meet the middle 50%. </p>

<p>i’m just sitting back and hoping that the adcom sees the passion that i hold for this school and sees that, while i’m not a superstar SAT taker, i am, again not trying to be cocky or anything, a star student.</p>

<p>so, has anyone invented a time machine yet so that we can fast forward to december 15th and lay this all to rest? :)</p>

<p>Haha same with me- I’m hoping they see through my SAT score. I’m a little worried about SAT II because I took A levels and my subjects don’t correspond (other than Bio) with SATs (e.g. geo, econ) so I’ve had to study US history from scratch in 4 weeks. </p>

<p>I just want to be deferred ED! Then they can see my Dec score! Haha. I’m sure they will see through your SAT score but we cannot help it if there are a whole lot more applicants with great SATs and ECs. Time to start falling in love with my other colleges again!</p>

<p>hahaha i am technically in the same situation you guys are… my SAT scores are low compared to the middle 50% of students that apply to columbia… but as icolumbia said, there need to accept a number of international students, so i think being international could give us a chance here, of course if they like our application</p>

<p>i’m not international…i’m just an immigrant, lol o__O</p>

<p>but hopefully being somewhat of a ~URM gives me an edge</p>

<p>they look at sat scores, but not as much as the rest of your app. it’s not the most important part, so don’t worry about it. you’ll be fine and still in the running for a spot</p>