2004 The Top Public Colleges Ranking!

<p>Yeah, Carolina is up there. Basically, I think the top publics are:</p>

<p>University of California-Berkeley
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor</p>

<p>University of California-Los Angeles
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
University of Virginia
College of William and Mary</p>

<p>University of Wisconsin-Madison
University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign
University of Texas-Austin</p>

<p>After this they really aren't up there in the top school ranking, i.e. Miami Ohio might be an okay school, but its not even close to competitive with these or other top schools.</p>

<p>It's been two years now (class of 2007), but my son was accepted in-state to UVA and waitlisted to CWM and then rejected. We found from talking to other people that CWM admissions can be quirky. We did find the wl strange since we thought son was a better candidate, he was very liberal artsy, for CWM than UVA. </p>

<p>Who knows how these happen? He's now in his second year at USC and very happy.</p>

<p>i mean who cares who is #1? no one can say these aren't good schools, and this is stupid since there's no criteria to rank them by, just your own opinion, maybe some one thinks miami of ohio belongs and someone else doesn't, but it's your opinion and arguing about such a moot matter is well...moot</p>

<p>I second Alexandre's List</p>

<h1>13 University of California-Berkeley</h1>

<h1>18 University of California-Los Angeles and University of Michigan-Ann Arbor</h1>

<h1>21 College of William and Mary</h1>

<h1>26 University of Virginia</h1>

<h1>31 University of California-San Diego</h1>

<h1>32 University of California-Irvine</h1>

<h1>38 University of California-Davis and University of California-Santa Barbara</h1>

<h1>40 University of Florida</h1>

<h1>43 University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign</h1>

<h1>45 University of Wisconsin-Madison</h1>

<h1>47 Georgia Institute of Technology</h1>

<h1>49 University of Texas-Austin</h1>

<p>Oops UNC should be included in there somewhere...between UVa and UCSD?</p>

<p>Let's look at public colleges in a more personal way. Two questions that often come up when thinking about schools are:</p>

<p>[1] Will I graduate on time (or in some cases, at all)? Public schools generally have lower graduation rates than private schools.</p>

<p>[2] Will I be happy at a particular college? One way of measuring happiness is alumni giving. If you're happy, then you're more willing to give back.</p>

<p>Using Alexandre's schools, here are the graduation rates & alumni giving rates. I find it interesting that the 2 schools w/ the highest graduation rates (UVa and William & Mary) are also the 2 schools w/ the most alumni giving. Furthermore, these 2 schools are also the most well-known for excellent undergraduate teaching & superb student-teacher interaction. When a school cares about its students, makes sure the professors are engaged & connected to the student body, and ensures that matriculants graduate rather than simply getting lost in the system, the alums are willing to return their gratitude. </p>

<p>University of Virginia - 92%, 27%
College of William and Mary - 91%, 26%
University of California-Los Angeles - 85%, 13%
University of California-Berkeley - 84%, 15%,
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor - 84%, 15%
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill - 80%, 20%
University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign - 80%, 12%
University of Wisconsin-Madison - 77%, 14%
University of Texas-Austin - 71%, 12%</p>

<p>UW Madison to commit $750 M to biosciences.</p>

<p>WISCONSIN POISED TO INVEST $750 MILLION IN RESEARCH </p>

<p>MADISON - Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle, taking a swing at keeping Wisconsin competitive in the superheated world of biomedical research, announced today (Nov. 17) that over the next several years Wisconsin would invest up to $750 million, including more than $500 million in new facilities and direct research support for scientists at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. </p>

<p>Speaking to reporters and technology leaders at UW-Madison's Biotechnology Center, Doyle outlined a strategy aimed squarely at bolstering Wisconsin biotechnology, health sciences and stem cell research. </p>

<p>"Wisconsin leads the world in groundbreaking biomedical research, but we need to continue to move forward," Doyle said. "The state, in partnership with the university and our other private partners, has an aggressive and comprehensive strategy to ensure that we remain at the forefront not only of scientific discoveries, but of creating thousands of new high-tech jobs." </p>

<p>Included in Doyle's plan are: </p>

<p>-- A new $375 million public-private research institute, to be known as the Wisconsin Institute for Discovery. The proposed institute would occupy the entire 1200 and 1300 blocks of University Avenue and would become a massive interdisciplinary research center that would combine biology, bioinformatics, computer science, engineering, nanotechnology and other fields in one setting. The first phase of the project would use $50 million, which already had been earmarked for the fourth phase of the BioStar initiative. </p>

<p>-- A new $134 million interdisciplinary research complex near University Hospital and Clinics. The new center would be translational in nature, helping bring basic research discoveries to clinical fruition at a more rapid pace. </p>

<p>-- $1.5 million annually to support research on Alzheimer's disease at UW-Madison. </p>

<p>-- A new $132 million research facility at the Medical College of Wisconsin and Children's Hospital that will focus on infectious disease control, cardiovascular illnesses and bioengineering. </p>

<p>In addition, Doyle pledged to smooth the bureaucratic and legal hurdles that impede the ability of faculty to take their innovations to market, and to provide more venture capital for startup research-based businesses through the Wisconsin Department of Commerce. </p>

<p>The new strategy is designed to bolster the university's science research infrastructure at a time when other states, notably California through a recently passed referendum, will begin to invest heavily in such things as stem cell research. </p>

<p>Doyle and UW-Madison Chancellor John D. Wiley noted that over the past decade, Wisconsin has positioned itself to compete through the investment of more than $1 billion in new research infrastructure on the Madison campus. What's more, they pointed to the university's long-standing strengths in basic biology - biochemistry, genetics and molecular biology, among many others - and a tradition of interdisciplinary research as strengths that will help the university recruit and retain talented faculty. </p>

<p>"Other states are now playing catch-up," Doyle said. "But there are a number of measures we're going to make to advance the work that goes on here." </p>

<p>"We haven't been sitting still," said Wiley. "It is incumbent on us to advance this (stem cell) field." </p>

<p>Stem cell pioneer James Thomson, a UW-Madison professor of anatomy, explained that with access to the human genome, biology has entered a new age. Stem cells, he said, are but one tool that will not only help biomedical science develop new treatments for conditions such as diabetes, Parkinson's disease and heart disease, but will help unravel the causes of those diseases opening a door to their prevention. </p>

<p>Thomson added that Wisconsin is not just a leader in stem cell research, but is a powerhouse in biology in general. </p>

<p>"We are a world leader in embryonic stem cell research at Wisconsin, but I'm actually fairly embarrassed at the amount of press that this one area of research gets, because Wisconsin is a world leader in most areas of biomedical research, and I don't think the average person in Wisconsin appreciates that," Thomson said. </p>

<p>"We are a population of 5 million people and we have a state university, which is in the top 10 universities in the country - private or public - in biomedical research by any measure you look at, and that's something that people should be proud of. To maintain this leadership position, there has to be a continuing investment. There are states that are competing with us, and private universities that are competing with us, and I think that the initiative that the governor announced today goes a long way in maintaining this leadership position in what is really an age of discovery." </p>

<p>Both Wiley and Doyle placed emphasis on the importance of interdisciplinary research and of building an institute where scientists from many disciplines can work together and exchange ideas. </p>

<p>Biology and biotechnology have always been Wisconsin strengths, Wiley said, but new fields such as bioinformatics and nanotechnology have emerged in recent years. Creating opportunities for cross-fertilization between emerging and established disciplines will only strengthen Wisconsin's hand, he said. </p>

<p>"All of these things are converging. That's the message for technology of the future." </p>

<p>"We need teams of technologists and biologists right next to each other," said Biotechnology Center Director Michael Sussman. "We don't need them in the building down the road. We need them in the office across the hall." </p>

<p>The proposed Wisconsin Institute for Discovery, he said, will accomplish that.</p>

<p>Georgia Tech really isn't that hard to get into, for in-state at least. I know kids who have gotten in there but have not been accepted to UGA. Go figure...</p>

<p>kinglin....
Miami (OH) is very high on top public university lists because it is one. The school is striving to become the BEST public university by 2009 (i dunno by whose standards they are goign by..and what that entails....but we will see). I know they worked on the camopus extensively this summer. Miami has very high test score averages and GPA that are increasing rapidly each year. It also has one of the highest D1 athlete graduation rate in the country. The school however, also has a high acceptance rate....because many apply and there is no out of state quota. (its 1/3 out of staters)</p>

<p>UNC is one of the three most selective public schools..</p>

<p>Globalist, using your formula,wouldnt Suny Bing be located on your exact same list.... 80% grad rate, 13% alumni giving rate?</p>

<p>UNC is arguably the most selective public school. How many schools do you know have the following 'warning' for out-of-state applicants in their official FAQ?</p>

<p>"As mandated by the University of North Carolina General Administration, 82 percent of each freshman class must be comprised of residents of North Carolina. For this reason, the number of available admission spots for out-of-state students is significantly smaller. Additionally, we receive more applications from students outside of the state. In recent years, approximately 17,000 students have applied for freshmen admission at Carolina. A little less than 10,000 of those students were considered out-of-state for admission purposes. Approximately 1,600 to 1,750 of those students received admission offers."</p>

<p>UNC accepts only 18% out-of-state... compared to 35% at Michigan.</p>

<p>AFireInside530, sure why not. I was just using those schools as examples.</p>

<p>Cornell University has several state colleges, with reduced price instate tuition and the opportunity to take classes in the endowed schools. It is the only Ivy League school that includes the state's land grant college. If you didn't like snow you might put Davis in California above it on your list. There are so many ways to rank a school that it makes little sense for the individual student to use these rankings for more than a guide. "Know Thyself"</p>

<p>UCB, Michigan, UVa, UCLA, UNC, Williams Mary, UIUC, UT Austin, Gatech, Winsconsin are the top public schools, possibly in that order.</p>

<p>Rtksyg, I agree with your rating...except that I would substitute Wisconsin with William and Mary...and vice versa.</p>

<p>Cal-Berkeley
Michigan-Ann Arbor
Virginia
UCLA
Wisconsin-Madison
UNC-Chapel Hill
UIUC
Texas-Austin
William and Mary
Washington-Seattle</p>

<p>I'm intrigued...let's compare schools by financial aid & merit scholarships? </p>

<p>Which ones meet 100% of need? Which ones give equally good financial aid to out-of-state students as in-state? Which ones cover poor (in-state & out-of-state) students w/ grants rather than loans? Which ones cap the loans for all other students - even out-of-state - so that attending that school is affordable and w/out excessive debt? Which ones won't force their students into work-study programs? Which schools offer merit scholarships that cover the full cost of attending that institution? </p>

<p>I'll start. UVa does all the above.</p>

<p>Which school gives you the taste of the leading professors of the country (not teaching skill mind you hehe...) Berkeley :)</p>

<p>You said it. "Not teaching skill mind you." </p>

<p>But if they're not teaching, then what are they doing? Oh yeah, that's right. It's far more important at top research universities for professors to be working in their labs & doing their research than enlightening their students. That Nobel prize is far more important than some insignificant undergrad.</p>

<p>Top research schools need to return to their original mission - stellar instruction.</p>

<p>Not until the students start paying better than the lab. Research $$$ is now the driving force at many schools.</p>