<p>I don't think Duke has a better rep, but don't think it has a lesser rep either. I think it's basically on the same level as Dartmouth, Brown, Columbia, Penn. From what I saw in my IB analyst class, other Wall St jobs, MBA class I think confirms this.</p>
<p>By region, I meant region in the U.S. Not too many people care about international perception, since almost everyone stays in the U.S. to work.</p>
<p>I was of course referring to average people, not wallstreet people. That's why I specifically said I was referring to average people in response to someone who was also talking about average people. Reading comprehension.</p>
<p>afan: Then apparently table 3 is wrong unless you have counter-evidence against thethoughtprocess' data. Cross-admit data is based on all common applicants, whereas the RP rank is based on a sample.</p>
<p>I hope no one is deciding whether to go to Duke based on its "rep" anywhere, or any of these rankings.</p>
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<p>Because most people either: a) don't take the time to read the entire thing, or b) can't understand it</p>
<p>either way, they shoot right to the rankings - and cry "this is a bunch of BS!!!"</p>
<p>I'd agree that Duke is on the same level as Penn, Brown, Dartmouth and Columbia -- as well as Georgetown, Amherst, Swarthmore, Williams, Pomona, UVa and CalTech. It seems to be learning from the Stanford playbook, IMHO.</p>
<p>"they shoot right to the rankings - and cry "this is a bunch of BS!!!"</p>
<p>Or, alternatively, they get suspicious that the sample size is miniscule and read the write-up, coming eventually to the authors' unequivocal statement that what they've produced is an "example of a revealed preference ranking." It's not an actual ranking, it's a demonstration of how such a ranking could be made with more resources and a larger survey. Not to mention that the survey included only students at schools that send a high percentage of students to elite schools, that is, the polar opposite of a random sample.</p>
<p>btw, does anyone believe that Notre Dame is more prestigious in New England and the Mid Atlantic than UPenn? Sounds kind of like bs doesn't it? Yeah, that's because it is.</p>
<p>Thethoughtprocess is citing statistics that include not a small sample that consists mostly of people not admitted to Duke, but all of the cross-admits between Duke and the lower Ivies.</p>
<p>An "all encompassing" ranking of graduate schools is complete nonsense and meaningless.</p>
<p>well, does that mean I am not in my right mind??????</p>
<p>I personally had 5 friends over past two years who chose jhu and Northwestern, or Duke over likes of Brown and Cornell. </p>
<p>And personally I m pretty sure I will stay in this DC area and pursue a career in diplomacy and law. that's the where real action is.....</p>
<p>And even if I move out from DC area, i m pretty sure that SAIS is well known to the people working in the field.</p>
<p>I must agree with you on that one Gellino. It is interesting to see which universities are the most well rounded and versatile, but it is completely useless from a practical point of view. Unlike an undergraduate program, where students take half their classes in other departments within the university and socialize almost entirely with students majoring in other fields, graduate students take almost 100% of their classes in their own department and fraternize almost entirely with fellow graduate students in their own department.</p>
<p>where does Porsche go to school anyway????</p>
<p>oh by the way, from our school, 5 got into Brown, but only 1 went there...and 2 of people who turned down Brown, are my friends one of whom is going to Duke and the other, JHU.</p>
<p>Hopkins,
I didn't mean to imply that you are crazy for turning down ivy for JHU. Please reread what I wrote..."IF" prestige is most important. Apparently for you, and some of your "friends", it is not--which is fine. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there are some folks in Baltimore who could've been in Cambridge for four years. </p>
<p>Anyway, for every student at JHU who turned down ivy, there are probably 15 that didn't get accepted to any. Just because someone turned down a school doesn't diminish that school's academic stature to the outside world. People make individual choices all the time. </p>
<p>As for myself, I graduated ten years ago and work for a top IB in NYC. On the street, there are far more grads of Columbia, Penn, Cornell than Duke. Even NYU probably has more grads on WS than Duke. Of course, this doesn't mean NYU is more prestigious than Duke. This is just one example of the faulty logic used by Thoughtprocess in relying on the number of Duke students at top grad programs. He really holds that statistic close to his chest, ready to take it with him to the grave--along with his other inconsequential statistics. </p>
<p>Thoughtprocess,
I accept responsibility for not knowing the PA assessment rankings before speaking. I must have been relying on old data. At the end of the day, Duke, of course, is a fine school. Please just accept the fact that its basketball program is more regarded than its academic reputation to most people. You ask the average person what they think of Duke and we all know the answer? The school is very attractive to recruiters, however, those from the NBA are probably most impressed.</p>
<p>Porsche, </p>
<p>Why don't you just come out and say where you went to school? </p>
<p>You are obviously proud of it (as you should be since these are all great schools) and it's pretty clear that it's either Columbia, Penn or Cornell.</p>
<p>You don't need to be Einstein to figure that out - so come out and tell us - don't be shy brother!</p>
<p>Agree with gellino</p>
<p>It’s time for a professional to step in and straighten things up.</p>
<p>Medicine – Harvard, Hopkins
Law – Yale, Harvard, Stanford (aka Trinity) + 11 regionally acclaimed law schools
Business – Harvard, Stanford, UPenn, Columbia, MIT, Chicago, Northwestern
Engineering – MIT, Stanford, Berkeley
Humanities /Social Sciences – Harvard, Berkeley</p>
<p>As you can see clearly, Harvard dominates all categories but engineering. Therefore, it is not much to say that Harvard & Berkeley are two top dogs for Ph D programs.</p>
<p>so, are you assessing the prestige of schools based on your WS experience? some schools, like Hopkins, doesn't even have a undergrad business school. why do you not try to understand the perspective of a person who lives in DC area? As far as I know, I have an impression that Georgetown's foreign service school is far more attractive than Upenn or Cornell. when I was a sophomore at high school, I personally had a class with a girl who turned down UPenn in sake of Goergetown. </p>
<p>And as for the "Anyway, for every student at JHU who turned down ivy, there are probably 15 that didn't get accepted to any"
that depends on the field. if you aretalking about humanities or undecided majors, that maybe true, but for people like myself and bio, medicine majors, that isn't true.</p>
<p>Rabban//</p>
<p>as for the law schools, wasnt'it that top 14 schools are "nationally" acclaimed and not just "regionally"? Columbia and Chicago, as well as Duke law will obviously go into "nationally" acclaimed law schools</p>
<p>and below top 14, like George Washington, they are pretty much only "regionally" known but not much nationally.</p>
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<p>Why do you keep bringing this up? "Most people" wouldn't be able to correctly name all eight schools in the Ivy League. Many get Penn State and UPenn mixed up, or associate Dartmouth with heavy drinking. What's your point?</p>
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<p>:rolleyes:</p>
<p>I actually graduated from Harvard (I thought it was quite obvious with my rankings "the most prestigious, powerful, etc"...) Anyway, I seriously considered Columbia and Penn, but Harvard is Harvard.</p>
<p>In the interest of full disclosure, I have a brother who attended Columbia and a brother who attended Cornell.</p>
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as for the law schools, wasnt'it that top 14 schools are "nationally" acclaimed and not just "regionally"? Columbia and Chicago, as well as Duke law will obviously go into "nationally" acclaimed law schools</p>
<p>and below top 14, like George Washington, they are pretty much only "regionally" known but not much nationally.
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<p>Not necessarily. For instance, let’s take UVA & UMich cases. They’re both top 14. But if you want to join a firm in Detroit area, your Michigan law degree will open far many doors than UVA’s. The 11 law schools have some regional flavors in them, more or less. Only “Trinity” is recognized on the national level!!!</p>
<p>Further, the trinity has, more or less, its own color.</p>
<p>Clerkship – Yale
Corporate – Harvard
New Technology Patent/IPO - Stanford</p>
<p>what I think is that, unless it's one of top Undeniable Five (HYP + Stanford, MIT), people's perception of prestige for other top 15 schools is, ROUGHLY EQUAL, and varies greatly according to factors such as academic fields, geography and personal preference.</p>