2008 US News Rankings

College Search & Selection
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<p>How did Princeton stay ahead of Harvard in the 2008 results? Let’s look closer.</p>

<p>G&R Rank: Princeton-2nd, Harvard-1st Advantage: Harvard</p>

<p>Under/Outperformance vs Expected Grad Rate: Princeton (0), Harvard (+4) Advantage: Harvard</p>

<p>Faculty Resources Rank-Both schools tied at 3rd </p>

<p>Selectivity Rank: Princeton-3rd, Harvard-1st Advantage: Harvard</p>

<p>Financial Resources Rank: Princeton-12th, Harvard-8th Advantage: Harvard</p>

<p>Peer Assessment Score: Both schools tied at 4.9</p>

<p>So how did Princeton come out on top?</p>

<p>Alumni Giving: Princeton-1st, Harvard-6th</p>

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<p>Could anyone post the new 2008 undergraduate engineering ranking ?</p>

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<p>remember last year there was that Chrysler on-line promotion? is there anything like that this year?</p>

<p>if so, can someone post the link? thanks!!!</p>

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<p>Anyone here have the SAT averages for the top universities and LAC's?</p>

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<p>What is the sat range listed by us news for Penn, Columbia, Duke, Brown, and Dartmouth, and Cornell, and Chicago. Thanks!!!!</p>

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<p>To George 2007. Read post 26 of this thread. Had anyone read that post
early on they would have realized that all of these posts ( with some minor
typos) were true. Also read recent news articles linked on this thread by other posters which explains why the Army and Navy are lacs (which I am not sure I agree with buth US News has put them there).</p>

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<p>I dont understand why so few people have actually seen the magazines. They seem to be on the shelves at all of the bookstores around here.</p>

<p>PS. Army and Navy are ranked so low because they got very low scores on faculty/financiual resources and they have relatively low mean SAT scores.</p>

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<p>I think the question on everyone's mind is how did SUNY Stony Brook do????</p>

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<p>Look at post 215 for who SUNY Stony Brook is tied with for 96</p>

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<p>hawkette,</p>

<p>It makes me laugh how biased you are. I love how you ignored all of the other components in which Princeton had advantage over Harvard.</p>

<p>1) % of classes with fewer than 20
Princeton: 72%
Harvard: 69%
Advantage: Princeton</p>

<p>2) % of classes with 50 or more
Princeton: 10%
Harvard: 13%
Advantage: Princeton</p>

<p>3) Student Faculty Ration
Princeton: 5/1
Harvard: 7/1
Advantage: Princeton</p>

<p>4) % faculty who are full time
Princeton: 93%
Harvard: 92%
Advantage: Princeton</p>

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<p>Upon review of the complete rankings that are available on the official web site, it seems that US News is still probe to its usual inconsistencies.</p>

<ol>
<li>LAC's PA are as senseless as they ever were.</li>
<li>They made the right call to eliminate Sarah Lawrence from the rankings, and despite that they also offer "creative" standardized test scores, US News did NOT do the same for schools such as Bates, Bowdoin, and Middlebury. One has to assume that it pays to send questionable data and not openly fight Morse's minions.</li>
<li>The expected graduation rates seems to allow even more "handicapping" as the revised system is as questionable as ever. This will play a larger role in the Universities rankings as the schools with high number of "reported" Pell will get a reasonable boost. </li>
</ol>

<p>In general, an entirely lackluster year for "steps-in-the-right direction." Let's hope that changes will come next year.</p>

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<p>can someone post the accounting rankings please?</p>

<p>thanks.</p>

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<p>Marigotdog, my apologies. It looks like you were right all along! Good job</p>

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<p>can someone post the PA rankings?</p>

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<p>
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hawkette,</p>

<p>It makes me laugh how biased you are. I love how you ignored all of the other components in which Princeton had advantage over Harvard.</p>

<p>1) % of classes with fewer than 20
Princeton: 72%
Harvard: 69%
Advantage: Princeton</p>

<p>2) % of classes with 50 or more
Princeton: 10%
Harvard: 13%
Advantage: Princeton</p>

<p>3) Student Faculty Ration
Princeton: 5/1
Harvard: 7/1
Advantage: Princeton</p>

<p>4) % faculty who are full time
Princeton: 93%
Harvard: 92%
Advantage: Princeton

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<p>Could it be that Hawkette's familiarity with the methodology allows her to determine that it suffices to use the COMPOSITE "Faculty Resources Rank" since both schools are tied at 3rd and earn similar scores for the final tally? :D </p>

<p>Read this and, you too, will understand the subtility.</p>

<p>Faculty Resources
Faculty compensation 35%
Percent faculty with top terminal degree 15%<br>
Percent full-time faculty 5% (Princeton: 93% Harvard: 92%)
Student/faculty ratio 5% (Princeton: 5/1 Harvard: 7/1)
Class size, 1-19 students 30% (Princeton: 72% Harvard: 69%)
Class size, 50+ students 10% (Princeton: 10% Harvard: 13%)</p>

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<p>We're really going to split hairs between Princeton and Harvard? Rank 1 and 2? Overall scores 100 and 99? Really? </p>

<p>It's not hocus-pocus black magic, anyhow. It's just a matter of scores being close enough that something as small (i.e. 5% weight) as alumni giving rate could tilt the ranking in favor of one university over another.</p>

<p>EDIT: Not directed at you, xiggi. You make a fine point.</p>

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<p>
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It's not hocus-pocus black magic, anyhow.

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<p>Oh but it is hocus-pocus black magic... (psst: its called the Peer Assessment)</p>

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<p>Duke stays in the top 10 but gets slapped with a 12 selectivity ranking...</p>

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<p>
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It's not hocus-pocus black magic, anyhow.

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Oh but it is hocus-pocus black magic... (psst: its called the Peer Assessment)

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<p>Oh, I agree that PA is flawed, yes, but I was specifically referring to hawkette's Princeton/Harvard post (both schools have the same PA scores).</p>

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<p>So who are the top 10 2008 LACs in the South? With PAs please ....</p>