2008 US News Rankings

<p>Can someone give top 10 selectivity rank? Thanks!</p>

<p>^^^^ Exactly,.... Duke's selectivity is dramatically lower compared to the other top schools.</p>

<p>thethoughtprocess, I would love to hear your rationalization of that number and how you are going to use it to equate Duke to the ivies...( one of your obsessions..)</p>

<p>Also, we seem to be having a problem with communication. As far as Peer Assessment is concerned, my position is very clear:</p>

<p>Peer Assessment is purely SUBJECTIVE. This score has very little to do with the quality of teaching and learning of undergraduates.
The fact that faculty, student and financial resources don’t necessarily correlate with high levels of learning also undercuts the PA which is the single largest component of a school’s overall score. It turns out that university officials tend to base their assessment of reputation on an institution’s wealth in resources. Amy Graham ( former director of data research at USNews ) found that a “high reputation score in US News correlated much more closely with high per-faculty federal research and development expenditures than with high faculty-student ratios or good graduation-rate performance, which are the magazine’s best measures of undergraduate learning”.</p>

<p>It turns out that a “good score” in this category may not be good for many students! Why ? Well, faculty who spends more time on research, may have less time ( and interest!! ) for teaching and for undergraduates. </p>

<p>What does this all mean? Well, that top notch undergraduate programs where the “teaching” is top notch (yes, like Brown and Dartmouth ) get hurt in those rankings while other larger and major institutions better known for their graduate programs ( yes, like Duke, Penn and Columbia ) fair better.</p>

<p>Well, here is the ranking for lowest acceptance rates.</p>

<p>School Percent
Juilliard School (NY) 7%
Curtis Institute of Music (PA) 7%
Yale University (CT) 9%
Harvard University (MA) 9%
Cooper Union (NY) 10%
Princeton University (NJ) 10%
Stanford University (CA) 11%
Columbia University (NY) 12%
College of the Ozarks (MO) 12%
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 13%
Brown University (RI) 14%
United States Naval Academy (MD)* 14%
United States Military Academy (NY)* 15%
Dartmouth College (NH) 16%
California Institute of Technology 17%
Pomona College (CA) 18%
University of Pennsylvania 18%
United States Air Force Academy (CO)* 19%
Amherst College (MA) 19%
Brigham Young University–Hawaii 19%
Swarthmore College (PA) 19%
Williams College (MA) 19%
CUNY–York College * 20%
Tougaloo College (MS) 20%
Washington University in St. Louis 21%
Bowdoin College (ME) 22%
Middlebury College (VT) 22%
Georgetown University (DC) 22%
Claremont McKenna College (CA) 22%
Duke University (NC) 23%
College of the Southwest (NM) 23%
Rice University (TX) 24%
University of California–Berkeley * 24%
United States Coast Guard Academy (CT)* 24%
Cornell University (NY) 25%
University of Southern California 25%
Barnard College (NY) 26%
University of California–Los Angeles * 26%
Haverford College (PA) 26%
Flagler College (FL) 26%
Tufts University (MA) 27%
Johns Hopkins University (MD) 27%
University of Notre Dame (IN) 27%
Washington and Lee University (VA) 27%
United States Merchant Marine Academy (NY)* 28%
University of Puerto Rico–Ponce * 28%
Wesleyan University (CT) 28%
Pepperdine University (CA) 28%
Colgate University (NY) 28%
Manhattan School of Music (NY) 28%
Bard College (NY) 29%
Boston College 29%
Berea College (KY) 29%
Northwestern University (IL) 30%
Kendall College (IL) 30%
Vassar College (NY) 30%
SUNY–Purchase College * 30%
New England Conservatory of Music (MA) 30%
Philander Smith College (AR) 30%
Lane College (TN) 30%
Davidson College (NC) 30%
Harvey Mudd College (CA) 30%
Edward Waters College (FL) 31%
CUNY–Baruch College * 31%
University of Puerto Rico–Arecibo 31%
California Institute of the Arts 31%
Delta State University (MS)* 32%
LeMoyne-Owen College (TN) 32%
Carleton College (MN) 32%
Bates College (ME) 32%
Emory University (GA) 32%
Mississippi Valley State University * 32%
Berklee College of Music (MA) 32%
College of William and Mary (VA)* 32%
La Sierra University (CA) 33%
Kenyon College (OH) 33%
Bucknell University (PA) 33%
Colby College (ME) 33%
Myers University (OH) 33%
Hamilton College (NY) 33%
Rhode Island School of Design 33%
CUNY–Hunter College * 34%
Carnegie Mellon University (PA) 34%
Vanderbilt University (TN) 34%
Oberlin College (OH) 34%
Colorado College 34%
University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill * 34%
Webb Institute (NY) 34%
Monterrey Institute of Technology and Higher Education–Colima 34%
College of the Holy Cross (MA) 34%
Emmanuel College (GA) 35%
CUNY–Lehman College * 35%
Wellesley College (MA) 36%
New York University 36%
Washington and Jefferson College (PA) 36%
Brandeis University (MA) 36%
Pitzer College (CA) 37%
Babson College (MA) 37%
Lafayette College (PA) 37%
Spelman College (GA) 37%
Atlanta Christian College 37%
Kentucky State University * 37%
Hampton University (VA) 37%
University of Virginia * 37%</p>

<p>MovieBuff, your new name is DramaQueen.</p>

<p>"dramatically lower".. oh please.. Duke is lower than Dartmouth, Penn, and Brown by 1!</p>

<p>Also can someone please do SAT 25th/75th percentile rankings???</p>

<p>Wow, Upenn is #5, that's a shame</p>

<p>Upenn is the most overrated college on that list, period.</p>

<p>They are on the us news website</p>

<p>Ok peeps..Now something NOT about the top 15 that has taken over the past 18 pages....UConn has gone to be number 24 for top public universites! UConn is now a top 25 public, lol.</p>

<p>As an undergraduate college experience, I actually like Princeton more than Harvard so I am not trying to put them down at all. But if you go thru the composite ranks of each of these categories, Harvard is either ahead of or tied with Princeton in all of the Headline Categories (Peer Assessment, Graduation & Retention, Faculty Resources, Selectivity, Financial Resources, and Alumni Giving). Only in Alumni Giving does Princeton win and that gives them the margin of victory over Harvard. Score this USNWR rankings victory for the Tiger alumni because without their generosity, it looks to me like Harvard would have been ranked higher.</p>

<p>coolatroopa,
Here is the 25/75 data for the Top 20</p>

<p>USN Rank, School, 25 Score, 75 Score, Avg</p>

<p>1 Princeton , 1370 , 1590 , 1480
2 Harvard , 1390 , 1590 , 1490
3 Yale , 1390 , 1580 , 1485
4 Stanford , 1340 , 1540 , 1440
5 U Penn , 1330 , 1530 , 1430
5 Caltech , 1470 , 1570 , 1520
7 MIT , 1380 , 1560 , 1470
8 Duke , 1350 , 1540 , 1445
9 Columbia , 1330 , 1540 , 1435
9 U Chicago , 1320 , 1530 , 1425
11 Dartmouth , 1350 , 1550 , 1450
12 Wash U , 1370 , 1530 , 1450
12 Cornell , 1280 , 1490 , 1385
14 Brown , 1350 , 1530 , 1440
14 Northwestern , 1320 , 1500 , 1410
14 Johns Hopkins , 1290 , 1490 , 1390
17 Rice , 1330 , 1540 , 1435
17 Emory , 1300 , 1470 , 1385
19 Vanderbilt , 1280 , 1470 , 1375
19 Notre Dame , 1290 , 1500 , 1395</p>

<p>truazn,
Here is the Selectivity info</p>

<p>USN Rank, School, Selectivity Rank, SAT Avg, % of Top 10% students</p>

<p>1 Princeton , 3 , 1480 , 94%
2 Harvard , 1 , 1490 , 95%
3 Yale , 1 , 1485 , 95%
4 Stanford , 7 , 1440 , 89%
5 U Penn , 7 , 1430 , 94%
5 Caltech , 7 , 1520 , 88%
7 MIT , 3 , 1470 , 97%
8 Duke , 12 , 1445 , 89%
9 Columbia , 5 , 1435 , 93%
9 U Chicago , 24 , 1425 , 80%
11 Dartmouth , 7 , 1450 , 90%
12 Wash U , 6 , 1450 , 95%
12 Cornell , 15 , 1385 , 84%
14 Brown , 7 , 1440 , 91%
14 Northwestern , 19 , 1410 , 83%
14 Johns Hopkins , 24 , 1390 , 80%
17 Rice , 13 , 1435 , 87%
17 Emory , 15 , 1385 , 88%
19 Vanderbilt , 26 , 1375 , 79%
19 Notre Dame , 15 , 1395 , 84%</p>

<p>Can someone..who has the..paid thing to US news please look up UConn's admissions rate this time...thanks.</p>

<p>George2007,
Here are the Top 10 LACs in the South:</p>

<p>USN Rank, School, PA Score</p>

<p>9 Davidson 4.2
15 W&L 3.9
17 Smith 4.3
37 Furman 3.5
40 Sewanee 3.6
40 U Richmond 3.6
44 Centre 3.4
49 Rhodes 3.5
59 Wofford 2.9
59 Southwestern 3.1</p>

<p>soccer_guy472,</p>

<p>U Conn's acceptance rate is 51%</p>

<p>can someone take a couple pictures and post the link so we can see all the numbers? thanks</p>

<p>Thanks hawkette, you always come through. One question, isn't Smith in Mass?</p>

<p>Thanks hawkette..but that was there acceptance rate last time. Did it not change..or do they use data from the previous year?</p>

<p>Re: undergrad engineering - yay for Harvey-Mudd! =)</p>

<p>Does anyone have the PA scores for top 50 national?</p>

<p>Business Rankings (w/ PA score)?</p>

<p>George2007,<br>
You are right about Smith which I know very well is in Northampton, Mass. Just cutting and pasting a little too fast. :) Sorry.</p>

<p>Soccer_Guy,
They are using the data from the latest Common Data Set provided by the school. This data is for last year's entering class. A new CDS will be published by each school, usually sometime in late October or November (although not all schools make these publicly available). The website for U Conn might have more recent figures for the most recently admitted (but not yet matriculated) class.</p>

<p>Bill Bank,
I just posted the PA data on the PA thread for the 125 National Universities.</p>