<p>I have a friend who is a teacher. His wife is a personal banker. Their son is a senior who has the following stats:</p>
<p>ACT: 32
AP’s- 13 (Average of scores - 3.8)
GPA- 4.24
Rank: 22/311 (At the top AP school in the state)
Top 1% in Nation for ITED’s
State 3rd Place Soccer Team
Best in Center for Trumpet State Solo
Very involved in Band/Choir/Speech
5th in state in National Spanish Exam
Don’t think he’s National Merit…</p>
<p>Works 25 hours a week at a grocery store during the school year, 40 in the summer.</p>
<p>His criteria for college:</p>
<p>Would like to be in a larger city, if possible.
Would like to major in Music and Business or Economics.
Would like to be at a large school that has a quality marching band program
Would like to finish college with limited or no debt</p>
<p>Would like to be in the Midwest, but is willing to travel for the lower debt load.</p>
<p>Where should this fantastic young man apply?</p>
<p>IU Bloomington -
Will get Direct Admit to Kelley and/or will have to audition for Jacobs
Merit Scholarships for sure with those stats, but full ride unlikely</p>
<p>Kelley School of Business - 8th in nation Bloomberg Undergrad</p>
<p>Jacobs School of Music - 1st or 4th in nation depending on source</p>
<p>IU Marching 100 won the Sudler Trophy 2007
Top collegiate marching band award from Sousa Foundation (can only win once)</p>
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Midwest universities in larger cities:</p>
<p>Northwestern University - Probably minor reach school based on stats.
Not cheap</p>
<p>Limited or no debt goal depends on too many variables.</p>
<p>He would automatically receive 4 years of free out of state tuition(Presidential scholarship) at U of Alabama with those stats. Great marching band too.
I believe he would need to have his app in by Dec 1st to qualify for the scholarship.</p>
<p>Wants no debt? Well, how much will his parents pay? He’s not likely going to get a free ride. He can get free tuition at Alabama, great marching band and very good music school and B-school, but the family will have to come up with the room, board, books, etc. </p>
<p>For need-based financial aid, he and his parents should use the net price calculators on college web sites to get need-based financial aid estimates. Better need-based financial aid tends to be found at more selective schools.</p>
<p>Will their combined income qualify for much/any aid at schools that meet-need? Likely at HYPS, they would qualify, but maybe not enough aid at other schools…and his ACT isn’t likely high enough for HYPS. </p>
<p>An ACT 32 can be on low end of the middle quartiles at top schools. </p>
<p>I don’t know how much a “personal banker” earns.</p>
<p>No way would this student likely get a full ride to IU. Would not even get half-tuition to IU. Those are very good stats, but not phenomenal. At least 10% of IU’s frosh class will have an ACT 32+ or SAT equivalent. (28% have an ACT 30+)</p>
<p>I would imagine that as an OOS applicant to IU, he’d get a merit award of around $11k per year…which would still leave about $36k per year to pay. OOS COA is $47k per year! </p>
<p>IU isn’t very generous with scholarships. They don’t even give much to OOS NMFs!</p>
<p>@Jarjarbinks23 You have higher test scores and you wouldn’t get much either.</p>
<p>Likely, the student would get:</p>
<p>Indiana University Achievement Scholarships
The Dean’s Scholarship is awarded to Out-of-State students of the highest academic quality. Academic performance is assessed through information provided in the IU Admissions application, including official testing and high school transcript information. Only test scores received directly from the testing agency will be considered for scholarship and admission processes.
Submit a completed Admissions application by November 1, 2014.
Award amounts range from $1,000 to $11,000 per year.
Renewable for four years</p>
<p>@riverbirch is right. This student would get free tuition at Alabama if he applies before the Dec deadline. He should do that soon to have that award in his pocket.</p>
<p>OP,
They have to visit and see where the kids belong. They have to visit few top selected choices several times, talk to students, learn specifics of intended major(s)/minor(s)/programs. Nobody can tell you where the kid belongs, but he himself.<br>
His stats and others are very similar to my D. She would not ask/listen to anybody in a world, she visited a lot, even her dad went to a special “dad” event with the overnight (had to use his vacation day for that).<br>
Actually the similaritites are amazing, we are in Midwest, huge interest in Music (but not as a major), 5th in National Spanish exam, non-NMF and ACT=33.<br>
After great amount of research (I spent about 2 years and compile huge spreadsheet with very few college and great amount of detailed info for each), D. ended up going to Miami of OH on full tuition Merit. She was accepted to a very selective program there (10 spots). This was her original second choice. Her #1 was Case (about $27k / year in Merit awards), but she was not accepted to a simialr program there. She graduated with Music minor (which was very easy for her, it was her R&R) and as a 4th year Medical Student still believes that her UG matched her personality and very wide range of interest the best possible way. As a family, her experience there went way beyond our expectations. However, it always will be up to a student to take advantage of opportunities at any place. That is why it is very impirtant to choose the place where kid belongs…while many around may be pointing to Harvard</p>
<p>Music? Marching band? Economics? That is easy. Vanderbilt in Music City. School promises to meet full need with no loans. ACT is on the lower end, though, so not a likely merit award recipient, and maybe the school is too medium-sized for his taste. </p>
<p>@miamidap I don’t think fit is such a big factor at these large universities. Kids willingness to get involved and make friends provides the fit. Most large universities have decent programs and cost should probably trump where students end up most of the time. My kids will thrive where they are planted because they choose to—whether it be U of Florida, U of Maryland or any large U that you insert here. Op says student is looking for a large U experience and cost is a big factor. To me it’s a no brainer where he should end up.</p>
<p>@mom2collegekid ACT aside, he has so many AP courses and a great GPA to back it up… most students would crumble under that courseload.</p>
<p>By the way I’m also a direct admit to the Kelley Business School and will submit my App by November 1st… will that increase my scholarship money substantially?</p>
<p>^^ I agree. OP may need to bring the ACT score a little higher unless he got hand picked by the Music school after admission. I know a student got in with ACT 25 at the Music school this year and even received a moderate scholarship. Music school has some scholarships that the professor can use to support highly talented students even from out of state or overseas.</p>
<p>I still cannot see how anybody can provide an intelligent advice. Well, some people believe in rankings much more than we do though. Everybody is different. While some will rely strictly on their own research and refuse to listen to others, many will listen, check rankings, then decide. This latest approach would be devasting to my kid, but may work for many out there. Of course, anybody can accomplish at any place. Would it be an enjoyable experience and if it is an important factor in person’s life to always have the most enjoyable experience possible, this is totally different aspect of any decision making. And again, if finances are important, then many schools mentioned above will not fit. U of Mich is not good fit for any OOS for this reason. Focusing on privates may work better if finances are at the top of criteria. School’s Merit offers depend much more on their resources than student’s stats. </p>
<p>Tuition and room and board is over $55,000 at Michigan for OOS. Typically no money for OOS but that may be changing in the future. Not an option in any way for this student.</p>
<p>Very good chance of scholarship to Temple; pretty good chance at Pitt. Both would fit criteria. Syracuse is expensive, but merit scholarship would be very likely. I agree with Vanderbilt, as a reach school. Kentucky (would probably qualify for an Honors program)?</p>