"A contrarian view of college admissions" or why the process is healthy for our kids

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<p>Pam Proctor, a private college admissions counselor and consultant, describes why she is "convinced that the college admissions process is a powerful tool to prepare a student for life." Guess this falls under the category of "if it doesn't kill you first, its good for you"....but she has some good points, and as a parent, I tend to agree that the whole process, while challenging, certainly forces some reflection and growth which has, in our family's case, been a wonderful thing.</p>

<p>entire article:
Pam</a> Proctor: A contrarian view of college admissions : GuestColumns : TCPalm</p>

<p>excerpts on benefits</p>

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You learn to sell yourself. Most people know that applying for a job requires appropriate attire, a hard-hitting r</p>

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<p>The thing is, so many applicants don't get these benefits, and not all of these benefits are tied to the process either. They aren't increasing their self-awareness because they've drunk the Kool-Aid that says that they need to do specific things, which they may or may not enjoy, in order to be admitted to a good college. They don't learn to sell themselves - they make an attempt at doing so, and do it poorly. If they aren't prepared to write a good essay by the time they apply for college, then they just end up submitting a poor one.</p>

<p>In addition, there are a lot of problems caused or exacerbated by the process that she doesn't mention. Resume-padding, for one, but there are others. College applications are expensive, with their application fees and standardized test fees. Kids drop activities that they do like and take up ones that they don't because they think it will look better. Relations between kids and parents deteriorate under the stress. And I've heard of hypercompetitive schools where students track each other's choices of schools to apply to, acceptances, and rejections.</p>

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<p>I also agree that it has the potential to be a good process. Certainly at the end of it, I feel as though I have come through a trial by fire, and that my daughter is a powerful person. Better for the ordeal. And, it is also interesting in light of the recent "60 Minutes" piece about the current 20-somethings who, and 60 Minutes has a good point, "got trophies for just showing up." The process was the hardest thing my daughter did and she is very proud of herself. But it was so laden with hype from all sources. I still don't really know if the competition was/is as fierce as it was made out to be. The media play such a big role in all of this, from the US News ranking to the $40,000 that some families pay to guarantee (?) admissions, etc. etc. I really believe that if the media were not an issue, the process would just be a process, with the same successes and failures. I blame much of the stress on the press.</p>

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<p>I agree with jessie. The application process will reveal a student's inadequacies, but it won't necessarily correct them. A student who, through the process, comes to realize with regret that he hasn't used his time in high school well and doesn't have a lot of activities, awards, jobs, or whatever to put on the application, can't go back in time and repair that. Yes, he now has the opportunity to decide to make different choices in the future. However, there's nothing about the application process which bridges him, or guides him from the starting point to a better ending place. Will there be someone to provide him counsel on what his gifts and talents are, and where he could put them to use if he hasn't done so already?</p>

<p>The same with essay writing. If the student figures out he is woefully lacking in writing skills, gaining the necessary practice while writing admissions essays is not an ideal plan. Those essays are supposed to be the best examples of polished writing a student can produce. Now, if there's an English teacher who takes it upon himself to help said student, then there can be a positive result. More likely than not, though, that English teacher will be swamped with his own class preparation and grading, not to mention writing his own "essays"--college recommendation letters for his students.</p>

<p>So the application process will be helpful only if the student has parental or school support to help him realize personal growth. And if he has had that available, then he's less likely to be getting a rude awakening anyway.</p>

<p>Also, one observation is that in our school district, the lower level English classes are more likely to offer assistance in application essay writing. Perhaps that's appropriate because those students have lower writing skills than the AP English students. But it seems that the colleges (the state schools for ex.), where that type of student typically applies, don't even require an essay. In fact, those kids deliberately look for colleges whose apps. don't need an essay. It's actually the upper third of the class who need the help with essay writing and yet don't get it, because for them the essay can impact where they end up.</p>

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<p>I do believe the process helped my daughter eventhough she did struggle with the UC essay for about 2-3 weeks.
Her AP English teacher did not correct mistakes on her essay as we found out later, when one of my relative read her essay. I think her English teacher wants it to be in her own voice.</p>

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But they can learn with the help of a seasoned counselor.

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The solution to this dilemma — even though critics would never admit it — is special coaching for the SAT or the ACT.

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I hope the paper charged her for this advertisement! Her "solutions" seem to involve hiring her. $$KaChing$$.</p>

<p>I think the process can be positive, if the student & family use common sense & integrity.</p>

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<p>I think the fuzzy logic of the college admissions process prepares students well for the job market, finding a spouse, etc., where criteria are muddled and the results are not at all deterministic. And at least finding a spouse doesn't usually involve writing an essay.</p>

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<p>I agree with Jessie as well. </p>

<p>"College", not the application process, should enhance your writing skills and self awareness along with preparing you to get a job.</p>

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And at least finding a spouse doesn't usually involve writing an essay.

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<p>Not so sure...internet dating, matchservices and all that.</p>

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<p>When essays can reveal chemistry....</p>

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<p>Yes, TheDad, think too of the Cyrano de Bergerac who can find a ghost writer shill to court his damsel with faux poetry, and hide behind the screen instead of under bushes!</p>

<p>In more serious response to the OP, I found this process did engender growth in my 3 kids. They also got better as they went along, handling deadlines, writing essays, everything.</p>

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<p>It absolutely was a great process for my son--not so much learning to sell himself, but to figure out who he was, what he wanted and what colleges would therefore want him. Major growth experience.</p>

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<p>Sorry to bump this up. I meant to thank you for posting this article the other day Papa Chicken. I think the article does point out an important message. </p>

<p>For the families currently in the middle of this admissions cycle, it may be hard to view this as a larger growth process. But I maintain there is a real opportunity to make this process work for students beyond just getting into their dream school. Students who know themselves and understand how they impact those around them have a distinct advantage in many areas of life. </p>

<p>I witnessed a huge growth from Junior to Senior year. As a first born, our older S already exhibited the stereotypic maturity, focus, and drive. Yet our S found an additional gear as a result of the personal reflection and management of his own admissions process. It is really from this perspective that I try to encourage parents to allow their children to take control of their process. They are so capable, and the benefits are great.</p>

<p>And yes, it has a huge carry over effect to the college experience. He continues to be resourceful and enterprising. It’s all about risking, reaching, failing, and growing. This applies to his academics as well as internships and research opportunities. All involve asking questions, e-mailing, phone calling, net working, as well as interviewing, resume writing, and cover letter writing.</p>

<p>Again, lots of personal reflection and decision making. I’ve said it before on these boards, resourcefulness is a life skill. And the admissions process can be a transferable process to the many adult decisions ahead.</p>

<p>Our younger S is a Junior, and he is just starting his own admissions process. He is nothing like his brother in interest, but everything like him in terms of resourcefulness. He will have an entirely different list of schools that are suitable to him and an entirely different process. As a parent, I hope that he will achieve the same level of growth appropriate to his interests.</p>

<p>That’s my positive parenting spiel.</p>

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<p>very interesting thread, this should be featured</p>

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<p>This process has become an unexpected rite of passage:</p>

<p>Writing two personal statements was painful, to the point of tears, at times, but became almost a "vision quest" as my D found her voice. The episode she relayed in her best essay was subtle, shaded and revealing. The metamorphosis from the "list of accomplishments" essay to the final work was literally that of cocoon to butterfly. </p>

<p>This was our first time through applications, and when I finally got my DH to quit saying, "You know, it wasn't like this when I was in high school..." everything was fine.</p>

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And at least finding a spouse doesn't usually involve writing an essay.

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<p>C'mon Dad, elloquently well wriiten love letters never hurt your chances with a potential mate!</p>

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<p>hmmm...a peer reviewed paper on this subject...</p>

<p>"How Applying to College Shapes Students: Study Finds "Formative Experience," Frustration, for Brightest Applicants"
9/07
<a href="http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/Home.portal?_nfpb=true&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=EJ286389&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&_pageLabel=RecordDetails&accno=EJ778654&_nfls=false&objectId=0900019b80222449%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/Home.portal?_nfpb=true&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=EJ286389&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&_pageLabel=RecordDetails&accno=EJ778654&_nfls=false&objectId=0900019b80222449&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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The college admissions process teaches students how to express themselves during interviews, how to describe their best qualities in application essays. It may also make them wary of college marketing campaigns, and skeptical of being treated as a statistics, due to the large role played by standardized-test scores and grade-point averages. Such dichotomy has prompted the Education Conservancy, to develop plans for a major research project to explore the messages that selective colleges send to prospective applicants, and how those messages influence the attitudes and behaviors of high-achieving students. The findings of a preliminary, qualitative study suggest that college applicants absorb both good and bad lessons, which may shape how they see themselves and society. Researchers devised a list of questions, including "Why is the college admission process so important?" and "Is there anything you have done just to enhance your admissions probabilities?" A research firm took those questions to eight high schools, public and private across the country. At each stop, researchers posed the questions to chosen groups of 12 high-achieving seniors, all of whom had applied to selective colleges. Among the positive findings was that the admissions process gives students opportunities for self-examination and personal growth. The students in the study also tended to believe they had to make many sacrifices when applying to colleges. Because they felt pressure to be well-rounded, many said they had participated in some extracurricular activities solely to improve their admissions prospects. An independent researcher who worked on the preliminary project, concluded in a separate analysis that colleges may do some things that elicit, or reinforce, lying, cheating, and cynicism among potential applicants, and that aggressive recruitment efforts might convince students that colleges are self-serving businesses, not institutions with educational missions. The researcher also speculated that standardized tests may promote dishonesty and resentment among students who think the requirement overshadows their creativity, hard work, and motivation. One potentially fruitful question of the broader, longitudinal study may be to examine whether negative admissions-related experiences continue to affect students after they enroll in college. The study might try to examine whether elite institutions take too much blame for applicants' competitiveness, anxieties, and tactics, which may amount to a reflection of human nature as much as a result of systemic flaws in admissions. Some higher-education experts believe that the Conservancy project could hold a much-needed mirror up to the admissions industry. At least one college association president feels that colleges would benefit from hearing what more students have to say about practices such as early decision and mass marketing. "Some students have learned not about education or how to think, but about how to build a resume," says one advisor. "What are colleges helping them to learn?"

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<p>It's not for wimps, that's for sure. In the occasional calm moments in our house I do sometimes think something good is coming from this for my senior. If nothing else, just multi-tasking in the extreme, learning to solicity support from teachers, community mentors, school administrators. Learning not to get "freaked" by uber-competitive classmates and their parents. Learning to manage me as a useful resource but one that needs boundaries.</p>

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<p>I agree with Jessie also. If it's true that human beings learn more from failure than success (and I think it is true), viewing the college applications as a learning process seems rather foolhardy. </p>

<p>Full disclosure: I did let my D apply to a school where she was unlikely to be accepted despite superior stats. But at least I explained why acceptance would be an uphill battle BEFORE she applied.</p>

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<p>an article arguing the negative impact of the process:</p>

<p>High-School</a> Students Share a Grim Opinion of College Admissions</p>

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Nearly 100 high-school seniors surveyed in Atlanta, Boston, San Francisco and Chicago characterized the college process as an exercise in "marketing." </p>

<p>They admitted to taking advanced courses and SAT classes -- even cheating on tests -- solely to enhance their candidacy. They lamented pursuing numerous extracurricular activities, instead of a particular passion, to appear well-rounded. They complained of colleges courting kids who had zero chance of acceptance. </p>

<p>Overall, the students described the admissions experience as dizzying, disenchanting and deceptive.

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