Does the study show the breakdown of forcible rape, attempted forcible rape, incapacitated rape, attempted incapacitated rape?
Yes it does.
For the first freshman semester:
3.4% of female students completed forcible rape victims
4.5% completed rape victims while incapacitated
12% victims of attempted forcible rape or attempted incapacitated rape
Add to that this pre-college data:
6% forcible rape
9% incapacitated rape
13.3% attempted forcible rape
16.2% attempted incapacitated rape.
So high school looks more dangerous than college.
You really believe those stats?
@northwesty, what’s ridiculous about it?
So there about 2000 females in a Syracuse freshman class. If 68 are forcibly raped and 90 are raped while incapacitated and 240 escape and attempted rape that’s 19.9% of the female freshman class. (assuming each young woman is only counted once)
A request: Can the people who keep asking “Did the study do X?” just go and read the report first? (Or at least read the posts upthread where most of the repeated questions have been answered already?)
I don’t know what “forcible” rape means. Can someone explain?
Rape where the victim is physically overpowered rather than incapacitated by sleep, alcohol or drugs. (although that may not be the exact legal definition)
Plenty of people believe the rape rate is sky high, @northwesty.
Unfortunately, lots of men rape when they can. This is the fact, and no amount of denial will make it untrue. The UN recently did a study about rape in some Asian Countries. They asked women if they had been raped, but they also asked men if they had raped. A staggering number of men said they had raped.
In Papua New Guinea, 47% of the male respondents said they had raped someone who was not their partner, 12% said they had raped someone not their partner in the last year, and 14% said they had gang raped someone. That was the worst country of the ones surveyed.
http://www.partners4prevention.org/sites/default/files/p4p-bougainville-report.pdf
In China, 6% of men said they had raped someone who was not their partner, and 2.1% said they had gang raped.
http://www.partners4prevention.org/sites/default/files/resources/china_quantitative_full_report.pdf
So if I say “no, I don’t want to have sex,” but my date starts having sex with me anyway and I don’t do anything about it but lie there, is that “forcible” rape?
In this study, forcible rape was defined as the perpetrator having sex with the person by physically overpowering them, or by threatening them with violence.
Northwesty, your numbers are wrong. 
Dfbgfb, you disappointed me with your checking off helpful on northwest’s post. 
Hey, I’m always happy to thank someone for doing/summarizing the math!
It depends. I don’t have the survey questions in front of me, so I can’t tell how the kind of rape you describe would be classified in this survey. But as to the law, some states classify that kind of a rape as forcible rape-- California does, specifically; I know this because I’ve read the Supreme Court cases-- but some backward states require the victim to fight back.
What’s ridiculous?
Don’t you think it would be impossible for Syracuse U. to be able to enroll a new class each fall if in fact 20% of its female students really became rape/attempted rape victims during their first semester? Syracuse fyi is 55% female enrollment. Why would girls go and stay there? Why would their parents pay money for that?
I also really doubt that 15% of their incoming female students were raped prior to college. And that another 29% were attempted rape victims pre-college.
Remember these are incoming college students to a private university. So presumably an above average SES demo.
And this is occurring when overall rates of crime and rape are reported to be at all time low levels.
Can you point me to the question that prompted that response? Sorry, but it is not easy to find when you come late to the thread.
@dfdbfb,
I will let CF do the math for me anytime…northwesty, not so much.
@northwesty, it’s 11.4 percent first semester.
Do you think that every student who is raped shouts it from the housetops? Do you think they take out full page ads announcing that they were raped? Do you think most of them even tell their parents?
It’s been a secret. Women have been ashamed. Now it’s not a secret.
Okay. So if I say to H, “honey, I’m not in the mood,” and he says "come on, it’ll be quick "and gets started, then I’ve been raped?
That is the problem I am having with these surveys. Do the responders actually feel they have been wrongfully violated to the point that a crime has been committed? I know I would not feel that way in the above scenario, but if a survey asked me if a man had ever penetrated me without my consent, then I would say yes.
It’s not 20 percent. It’s 11.4 percent of women…
We just had a 43 percent drop in victims and we didn’t have to do a thing except get the number correct.
Under results of the study.
The study is just 3 pages.