A Stanford Perspective of USC

<p>LINK: In</a> Defense of USC | The Unofficial Stanford Blog</p>

<p>Seems that our brothers up north are even starting to take note. :)</p>

<p>In Defense of USC</p>

<p>I grew up in a house divided. My mom and I went/go to Stanford, my father and older brother to USC. That family dynamic, along with my upbringing in Newport Beach, California (where at least a third of the baby-boom generation of USC alums decided to settle down and raise families) left me a rare outsider on the inside of the infamous, very tight-knit Trojan family. And, up until very recently, that family drove me crazy.</p>

<p>The Fight Song on repeat. The peace-sign/victory wave. The ocean of red and yellow (ahem… “Cardinal and Gold” as my father would chastise me through childhood). The football obsession. The Tommy Trojan references. The endless parade of license plates, stickers, and flags adorning the cars in my hometown. The ridiculously perky “Fight On” attitude. For the longest time, I found the culture so nauseating that the only way I could take refuge from their inexhaustible pride was to adopt the outsider attitude and disregard all of it. I would make jabs about whether being platinum blonde was still a requirement for admission. I would assume that all USC students were vapid, superificial, and unfocused on anything but getting wasted. I made the U$C jokes and took pleasure in the puns: “You can’t spell ‘suck’ without USC”, and the classic “University of Spoiled Children”. With a school like Stanford in my sights, I wanted to make it clear how much above their shallow antics I was. I wanted my attitude to demonstrate how much better Stanford was than USC: how much smarter, less conservative, more diverse, and more successful we are.</p>

<p>"Because Stanford doesn't like me"
But one weekend changed my perspective. With little to do and an itching for a bit of fun, I swallowed my pride, dropped my preconceived notions, and asked my brother if I could tag along for a couple days and get an insider peek at his life as a Trojan. The experience that followed was anything other than what I might have expected. The classes were incredibly engaging and dynamic; the campus was extremely welcoming and filled to the brim with excited students advertising their interests in every culture and activity, and a night on the infamous 28th street left me wanting more.</p>

<p>Admittedly – any college brochure will give you that. But what really caught me off my guard was how authentically friendly and kind everyone was. When I told people that I go to Stanford, every single person I spoke with was genuinely excited to hear about it, showered me with compliments about the Farm, offered references to friends of theirs’ who go here and rave about it, and were noticeably reverent of our fair university – usually tossing in some form of, “I applied there but didn’t get in. But I would have loved to go there”. Not one person had anything rude or snarky to say about Stanford, nor did anyone seem to be withholding any such comments.</p>

<p>Even this past weekend, when the university played host to what one USC student called “one of the most epic games and biggest letdowns I’ve seen in my college career” – Trojans were still surprisingly respectful of the Cardinal win. Especially under circumstances that most Trojan fans identified as “the closest thing to a bowl game we’ll come to this year” – my in-person interactions with students were generally tame. Understandably, most students were disappointed, felt they got gypped, and said they won in spirit, but I didn’t run into anyone who was out to seriously bash Stanford. The harshest comment I heard came in the form of Facebook status: “Whatever Stanford, your helmets are still ugly”.</p>

<p>Which begs the question – why do so many Stanford students seem to harbor such resentment – whether legitimate or in jest – toward our private Pac-12 peer? Why do we feel the need to put down USC at every possible opportunity?</p>

<p>One of the primary complaints I’ve heard against our SoCal neighbor is rooted in the rumored “spoiled children” attitude and their alleged sense of wealth and/or entitlement. My jury is still out on this one: on the one hand, more than 64% of students receive some sort of need-based assistance from USC; on the other hand, anyone who hangs out on campus long enough will soon notice the markedly higher percentage of luxury cars speeding down Figueroa Street, designer handbags dangling from tan arms, and – if you look carefully – maybe even the flashing of a Black AmEx or two. I will admit, from my observations, Trojans do tend to be a little more up-front about what they can afford. That said, I would be curious to see just how similar USC’s socioeconomic profile looks when compared to Stanford’s; despite our tendency to rock the esoteric start-up t-shirts and rumpled jeans look, it’s tough to argue that there isn’t a sizeable demographic of wealthier students buried under all of that casual, Northern California attitude.</p>

<p>Another misconception I’ve heard railed against USC is their apparent lack of diversity. This was something I’d always felt to be true about the school growing up. Seeing many friends and classmates from my hometown attend USC perpetuated in my mind the truism that a sizeable portion of the USC student body is from California – Southern California specifically. This fact lends itself to an image of a homogenized, stereotyped-“Californian” student body. And while, admittedly, many USC students do fit the tan, blonde-haired, blue-eyed mold, many more do not. USC claims the largest population of international students in the nation, and more than 55% of the student body identifies themselves as students of color. And, we –as Stanford students – should recognize, even people from geographically close places have very different stories to tell.</p>

<p>And then there’s the partying. I feel like a lot of Stanford students (for some reason unbeknownst to me) feel the need to look down on USC for their heavyweight social scene. If, for a moment, we can put aside the politics of Greek life, alcohol consumption, and sexual health and instead focus on aspects like the strong football/athletic culture, the downtown LA location, and a very community-oriented student body – it’s tough to argue that Trojans don’t hold a remarkable sense of pride in their school or know how to have a good time. And for people who are looking for a memorable party scene in college – what’s so wrong with that? Are Stanford students jealous? Maybe it’s the idea that hard partying is intrinsically linked to lower academic standards, but USC still beats the odds on that front too. When it comes down to it, USC is a strong academic institution. With almost 20 different schools of study, including the noteworthy Marshall School of Buisness, Leventhal School of Accounting, USC School of Cinematic Arts, Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism, Thornton School of Music, and Ostrow School of Denistry, USC has a lot to offer for students with specific fields of study in mind. What’s more – kids very clearly want to go there. USC’s acceptance rate dipped to 23% in the most recent admission cycle, and, with this year’s transition to the Common App, many speculate that those numbers will fall considerably lower. And, from what I can gather from ProFros, I would guess that for every Stanford student who applied to Harvard, Yale, or MIT, there is at least one who applied to USC.</p>

<p>Which brings us back to that question: why are we hating so hard on USC? I hope that my observations of USC insults are merely in a competitive spirit. Don’t get me wrong – I’m all for friendly rivalry and really enjoy the exciting tension that builds during insane games like that of last Saturday. But for those of you who look down on USC just ‘cause – I hope this changes your mind. And if it doesn’t – I urge you to spend some time with Trojans. They’re actually pretty cool people once you get to know them. And for those of you who choose to completely discount everything I’ve said here – be the bigger person. If you think USC people really are that bad, don’t match that stereotype by hating. Prove that, as a Cardinal, you are better than that. For fear of sounding like the desperate assembly-girl from Mean Girls, I’ll end on this note: USC isn’t so bad. In fact, while I love the rivalry, I think if you put our laid-back, inventive NorCal ying with their high-energy, big-spirit SoCal yang, we’d have a pretty sweet alliance. So Fight On, Cardinal.</p>

<p>A very nice article. Thanks for posting it, ModernMan.</p>

<p>LOL at the comments on that article. They make it seem all for nought.</p>

<p>Ya, comments were very entertaining haha. One USC student pretty much showing why everyone stereotypes SC kids. And the first comment was entertaining too.</p>

<p>Awwww, it is so cute the way the two of you are always hangin’ around on the USC forum - just whishing you could really be a part of USC. SO adorable!</p>

<p>Bryphy and g0ld3n, I do find it a little odd that you two post quite a bit on the USC forum… why is that?</p>

<p>^ For you and alamemon’s entertainment of course. We are “whishing” we could really be a part of USC apparently. lol</p>

<p>As all know, a lot has to do with athletic rivalry.</p>

<p>Why Stanford hate USC… But how about the other way?
As (or “if”) more and more Stanford rejects go to USC in current times,
who really hates who more?</p>

<p>This is just one of like four subforums that i check on a daily basis on CC. Nothing special about this one that the other three don’t have :)</p>

<p>

But you make us feel VERY special indeed by devoting 25% of your valuable time (though it feels like much more with over 100 of your posts in 2011 on the USC forum so far!) to a forum with which you have no connection whatsoever - other than your secret longings, of course. Thank you for your kind attentions :)</p>

<p>

And entertain me you do! I know how disappointing it was for you that your freshman application and subsequent appeal were not successful at USC and am happy to see from the application deadline reminder thread that you are working diligently and far in advance on another application to USC - unless, of course, you meant for that post to be an insult? I shall be crushed if your disappointment over your rejection has caused you such bitterness. </p>

<p>Best of luck to you both.</p>

<p>

</p>

<p>You’re right alememom. In my heart, i secretly say: Fight on! Fight on!. The shame i feel by not being a USC student makes existence barely bearable…But i think i’ll be ok :p</p>

<p>2011’s almost over. I’m not sure where you’re getting your statistics from (couldn’t find them in my page) but 100 posts doesn’t seem like that much. I’ve been a member here for 15 months, and you’re stating that i have 100 posts on this forum from 11 of those months. That doesn’t seem like that much (in fact it seems pretty small.) </p>

<p>I’d probably have more posts than i do know if i knew about College Search and Selection earlier but i don’t really mind. This forum, just like CS&S has more activity than the UCLA forum, and more threads that i’d like to participate in, and hence i post more. I check the Berkeley forum daily, but seldom post in it, mostly because either there topics aren’t very interesting or they don’t really relate to me.</p>

<p>

I am happy to help you out (as are many of our regular USC posters, which of course I understand is why some of you from other schools so enjoy visiting our forum)! To search for an individual member’s posts on a particular forum, go to the top bar of any College Confidential page and choose “search.” Don’t fill in the search field there, go to the bottom of the little box that appears and choose “advanced search.” Once you are on the advanced search page, fill in “beyphy” under “search by user name” near the top right. In the “search in forums” field just below that choose “University of Southern California.” There are a LOT of schools, so you will have to scroll WAY down to find the one of only four schools that so capture your attention. Now move to the left and choose “show results as posts.” Click “search now” and ta-da!!! - your 117 (and counting) posts on the USC forum are all neatly gathered in one place.</p>

<p>While I agree that 117 posts on a single forum is not excessive (my own 4,000+ posts here on the USC forum certainly dwarf your meager total), it is quite unusual to have someone with no connection to a school and no (stated) interest in attending make a daily check of that school’s College Confidential forum. Even g0ld3n, as a recent applicant to USC, has more of a connection to USC and 32 of his/her 106 posts on the USC forum were as an applicant, not just a visitor. It is a testament to USC’s status that out of the nearly 4,000 colleges and universities in the United States, completely unconnected posters are focusing 25% of their attentions on USC. We appreciate it!</p>

<p>If you have any other questions about using the College Confidential site, please post them - I am more than happy to help such a devoted visitor.</p>

<p>alamemom</p>

<p>In all honesty alamemon, the real reason I post here is because it’s amusing how worked up SC kids get over my 2-3 line joke responses and they type 3-4 paragraphs of rebuttal toward a purely jovial jab. Look at your above comment for a good example. </p>

<p>Also, I honestly do appreciate all your help about my questions about USC when I was indeed an applicant. I actually kind of feel bad seeing you need to defend your school because out of all the SC kids I would poke fun at, you are one member I actually respect because you always take the time to genuinely help out prospective students. I sincerely thank you for your help way back with my questions. Also, I feel like I should answer your personal attack on my application and appeal. I actually followed through with that and called and asked about what potentially could have gotten me rejected (just for the record SC was the only school in California that I applied to that rejected me so I was very curious) and I honestly have to say I was very surprised to find I was very politely forwarded to the admission office and a lady answered my question after only about 10-15 minutes of waiting. I don’t know if they generally answer those types of questions. Do they? I know UCSD does but I just thought I’d try USC and I was pleasantly surprised I got my answer. See, to my dismay I found out that either because of my own error (or application error? Not sure. I think I just forgot in the confusion of what was the old USC app was.) I only somehow submitted 3 classes for my senior year and Philosophy, Physics AP, and Government AP were not even listed under my senior year schedule. What was even more annoying (I later found out this was my bad) was that my CC transcript didn’t get there at all and they didn’t have a record of those courses. The woman on the line did not say that it was “the reason I got rejected” but said that the inconsistency in my senior year course load and college classes raised a red flag. So, putting two and two together, it’s pretty safe to assume that 99% those two very very large mistakes were what did it for me. </p>

<p>But realistically, I would never have attended USC over UCLA anyway (and I’m not just saying that because I don’t like USC), I honestly can’t afford to go there even if I got in. I was simply applying there because it’s a good school (yes, I admit it’s a good school, I’m not denying the obvious). My family is stuck right in the middle class cross hairs where we have enough money to not receive financial aid but we aren’t affluent enough to casually put down 200k for undergrad education so USC was never a top option for me anyway. </p>

<p>So in summary, I honestly do appreciate your help when I was an applicant. You are very dedicated to this board and that is a testament that shows how devoted SC affiliates can be. Also, based on my actual phone conversation and re-review of my application, I think it is pretty obvious why I didn’t get into USC. </p>

<p>PS: I was merely joking about my response in the deadline thread. I am not applying to USC as a transfer. Although, I admit that was good sleuthing to look at my previous posts and make a conjecture that I am secretly dying to be a trojan. </p>

<p>This one is for you alamemon:</p>

<p>FIGHT ON!!! :)</p>

<p>

Oh, goodness! This is terribly awkward, but the post above yours wasn’t addressed to you! I don’t want you to feel ignored, though, so I’ll post a bit here addressed to you :)</p>

<p>I didn’t actually have to do any sleuthing at all about your application and appeal - I am very good at remembering applicants, and you maintained a positive outlook throughout the process and I was disappointed on your behalf when you posted the bad news about the appeal.

Attack??? Where? I posted only encouragement to you since you first appeared on this board, including your post on the application date reminder thread.</p>

<p>

It is not your previous posts that show your continuing interest - it is your continuing posts :slight_smile:

How very kind of you to demonstrate this phenomenon! Yes, I DO see what you are saying!</p>

<p>Thank you very much for your kind words and the Fight On (and I really mean it, g0ld3n), but when I have a bit of spare time, as you know, I pop on over to the USC forum to help out and I enjoy typing up a jovial jab myself now and then. So if you’re going to dish it out, be ready to take it ;)</p>

<p>P.S. my screen name is not all that hard to spell… just when I think I am famous around here, someone calls me “alamenon…” sigh.</p>

<h2>“While I agree that 117 posts on a single forum is not excessive (my own 4,000+ posts here on the USC forum certainly dwarf your meager total), it is quite unusual to have someone with no connection to a school and no (stated) interest in attending make a daily check of that school’s College Confidential forum.”</h2>

<p>I don’t know what’s so bad about this. Can you blame a person for being interested in what’s going on at USC? I say that if he wants to check-up on all of the positive things happening around campus… let him.</p>

<p>The only time UCLA students ever really hear about the advances USC is making (assuming they don’t make a conscious effort to seek it out) is only when the Daily Bruin runs stories relating to 1) new U.S. News Rankings being released and UCLA’s ranking is compared to USC’s, and 2) the week leading up to the UCLA-USC game.</p>

<p>

Oh hey, sorry about that! I have midterms coming up and I have been preoccupied (contrary to popular belief on this board, I do have a life outside of CC), that was a careless mistake. You are famous around here so that deserves an apology. Fight on, my friend, fight on.</p>

<p>/nosarcasm.</p>

<p>Yes, I agree. Who cannot find the transformation of USC to be utterly interesting?</p>

<p>Although, I am disappointed that bruins are unable to keep g0ld3n and beyphy entertained with interesting UCLA topics on their own forum. </p>

<p>:(</p>

<p>UCLA is cutting the poli sci minor because not enough poli sci majors can get the classes they need. That’s interesting! :P</p>