<p>I was reading my history book the other day and I read about the Rape of Nanjing. I was like," How come i never heard about this". So I did a little research and my goodness I almost threw up by the pictures and documentary of this horrific event. Can you believe this? We recognize Holocaust as possibly the most horrific event known in history, but how come whenever I try to have a conversation with a friend, they have never heard about this event. Sorry if I am acting like a lil ***** but this ****es me off that events that happen like these aren't given the attention and recognition it deserves. I mean, how come I haven't heard about the Japanese repaying or even saying sorry about this?</p>
<p>Anti-semetic people will tell you its because Jews control the media, that is why Hitler is cast as the most evil villian. Hitler only gets pub for not liking Jewish people. He hated basically everyone non-German. Gypsies, blacks, and Slavic people were hated as much if not more than Hitler. The rape of Nanjing was only the tip of the iceberg. Check out what Stalin did to Russians (his own people) There are many incidents in history like this. To be frank, it was war, and people are not going to apologize for acts during war (usually) That is why we should never apologize for using nukes on Japan, because it ended the war.</p>
<p>Because we live in a Western orientated society and insist on recognizing the Holocaust above all else. I second the notion of reading about Stalin- he did some horrendous things to his own people, ie starve millions of them. It's really a shame no one seems to learn about the horrors that took place on the Pacific front of WWII.</p>
<p>*I am not an anti-semite. I am a semite myself. This my opinion. </p>
<p>"He basically hated everyone non-German." No no no!!!<br>
Hitler wasn't German, remember? He was Austrian. </p>
<p>He wanted to unite a strong Aryan race to combat those who he deemed were undermining society--mainly the jews. Why did he loathe the jewry of Europe? Simply put, the Jews were a very organized, intellectual, financially powerful, and successful ethnic and religious clique. I believe half of all doctors in Germany at one time were Jewish (something close to this statistic). Hitler was jealous of the Jewish success and wanted it for his perceived race. He wanted to be like them. </p>
<p>The jews were a presence in Europe without a nation or state. It was perceived that they would come into a country and take everything from the native people. Anti-semitism is no new thing. Jews were purged from England, Spain, France and enslaved in Egypt. </p>
<p>Hitler wanted Aryans to be the Doctors. He wanted a nation free of immigrants and intruders who were taking work and opportunities away from the indigenous people. </p>
<p>Why is the holocaust so overplayed? Because the jews have consolidated power and it is in their interest to portray themselves as victims and minorities. In European states it is illegal to deny the holocaust, but legal to deny God's existence. Even though there is some plausible evidence researched by actually jewish people suggesting how the holocaust was exorbitantly exagerated, it is repudiated and denounced. In fact, at Auschwitz there was a statue in memory of the 6 million who died. A few years ago it was renovated to a number around 1.5 million.</p>
<p>In my opinion, the holocaust was a terrible event. But I perceive it to be a morbid internment. That is, jews, gypsies, blacks, homosexuals, and enemies of the state were interned in the most adverse of conditions so that death was imminent. I don't really believe in the order to kill all of these people systematically. It is not pragmatic at all and an unrealistic goal to kill so many people in the period of time they were interned for. It is more reasonable to believe that these people were enslaved in camps for labor and that the conditions they were living in were so poor that many died as a result. If a country is fighting a war and has a large number of people in camps able to do labor or try and kill them all, it is so much more logical to have them do the work for the war effort. The germans were sickly pragmatic. </p>
<p>Let's not forget around 25 million Russians died during world war II and that Stalin is responsible for way more deaths than any known tyrant in our history. Let's not forget the US embargo on Iraq that led to the deaths of 500,000 children because they could not receive any medicine.</p>
<p>"He wanted to unite a strong Aryan race to combat those who he deemed were undermining society"</p>
<p>Nothing unifies more than hatred - dictatorships need enemies, so Hitler decided to hate everyone. The Jews and Communists (they seemed interchangable in Hitler's mind) were responsible for Germany's defeat in World War I and subsequent economic failure. The Slavs were sub-humans who took up a lot of space that Germany could use. </p>
<p>Why is the holocaust so overplayed?"</p>
<p>No genocide is ever overplayed - some are underplayed. The Holocaust is well-known not because of the Jews, but because of its geographical location. It is the only massive genocide in recent history to occur in the West. And we live in the West, so that is the only genocide that is supposed to be important. </p>
<p>'In European states it is illegal to deny the holocaust, but legal to deny God's existence."</p>
<p>These are utterly unrelated concepts. One is an idea - harmless on its own. The other is the denial of one of the most terrible acts in history and an inderect defense of Nazism.</p>
<p>"I don't really believe in the order to kill all of these people systematically. It is not pragmatic at all and an unrealistic goal to kill so many people in the period of time they were interned for. It is more reasonable to believe that these people were enslaved in camps for labor and that the conditions they were living in were so poor that many died as a result. If a country is fighting a war and has a large number of people in camps able to do labor or try and kill them all, it is so much more logical to have them do the work for the war effort. The germans were sickly pragmatic."</p>
<p>Millions were systematically executed. The SS was very fond of shooting people on the spot. Able-bodied men were often worked to death. Other people were merely gassed - that is not internment. Keep in mind that insanity has no regard for logic. It makes no sense to murder a large segment of your most educated demographic before commencing total war - but the Germans did it anyway.</p>
<p>"Let's not forget around 25 million Russians died during world war II and that Stalin is responsible for way more deaths than any known tyrant in our history. Let's not forget the US embargo on Iraq that led to the deaths of 500,000 children because they could not receive any medicine."</p>
<p>People are woefully ignorant of history. How many know about the Armenian genocide? What about Rwanda? The Sudan? Four million Vietnamese died during the Vietnam war - there couldn't have been that many soliders. And even if there were, is it better to kill conscripts than the mothers of conscripts?</p>
<p>"In my opinion, the holocaust was a terrible event. But I perceive it to be a morbid internment. That is, jews, gypsies, blacks, homosexuals, and enemies of the state were interned in the most adverse of conditions so that death was imminent. I don't really believe in the order to kill all of these people systematically. It is not pragmatic at all and an unrealistic goal to kill so many people in the period of time they were interned for. It is more reasonable to believe that these people were enslaved in camps for labor and that the conditions they were living in were so poor that many died as a result. If a country is fighting a war and has a large number of people in camps able to do labor or try and kill them all, it is so much more logical to have them do the work for the war effort. The germans were sickly pragmatic."</p>
<p>It was an execution, an extermenation, pure and simple. Gas chambers and machine guns don't exactly make the people that they are used on work better.</p>
<p>And the toll stands at 6 million Jews killed along with 6 million others, for a total in the neighborhood of 12 million executed by the Nazis. I have no idea where the 1.5 million number that you gave came from.</p>
<p>The estimate of 12 million is just that... an estimate. But many more people died in the Soviet Union. Why do we not hear about that? Many of them were just as systematically killed, perhaps not with gas chambers, but were still killed. Is that not just as terrible?</p>
<p>This is something I've been wondering. Hilter had a very complex definition of a Jew, not just one of those who practice the religion, but also who had even a single Jewish parent, or grandparent, etc. Is the 6 million including those who were thought to be Jewish, with "Jewish blood", etc, or actual Jews?</p>
<p>And Hitler considered was an ethnic German, despite being an Austrian by nationality.</p>
<p>rexrun, yeah it is an absolute disgrace, especially how the Japanese government has refused to apologize or maybe even acknowledge the atrocities that took place. Instead, they rewrite history books...</p>
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<p>The above posts just show it definitely doesn't get people's attention. I think a lot of people in the West just have no idea how cruel the Japanese soldiers were. I think I read somewhere that there were Nazi soldiers witnessing the drama over there (several western powers, including Germany, had small territories in China at that time) and were sympathizing the Chinese! Why? Because the way they were killed makes the German soldiers humane! I don't know much about how the Germans killed; I saw movies and pretty much it's about shooting over the head. The Japanese soldiers, on the other hand, picked and chose all kinds of methods as if killing was a fun game to them. Other than shooting, they stabbed with knifes or slashed with swords (they even stabbed right up women's vir*** after they raped them!); they gased the victims; they ran experiments with biochemical poisons as if the victims were animals...etc! Two war criminals had a little contest to see who behead more Chinese within a certain timeframe and they recorded their "glory" in their diaries! Not to mention the sexual slaves. Keep in mind that The Rape of Nanking is a single 3-month event among many others throughout the war. Yet already around 300,000 people were killed and 20,000 women were raped in that one event/city! My intuition is their cruelty may have something to do with their racism with is still very real these days. That's a whole different subject but just for FYI, people who've done research on racism would point out Japan is an outliner (e.g. there would be prominent politicians (including probably that guy who said Americans were lazy few years ago) making outrageously racist claims but still keep their seats without any apology and move up the political ladder with great public support! It's very strange.).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.centurychina.com/wiihist/%5B/url%5D">http://www.centurychina.com/wiihist/</a>
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Japanese Governement constantly denies or minimizes these crimes, and until now, it has not made any formal apology for its aggressions and crimes against China and other Asian nations. The Japanese Government has successfully gotten away from the remaining problems, they hide or destroy documents, they destroy newly uncovered evidence of war crimes, they refuse to pay the living victims such as the comfort women, they remove the war crimes from their history textbooks... Fifty years later, young Japanese still says "No! So what?" for their country's crimes in Asia. The Japanese general public glorify the war criminals as patriotoc heros, enshrine them as gods, threaten the former soldiers who are telling the truth.
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<p>That's a big difference between Japan and Germany right there if you ask me.</p>
<p>I am a person who sees how bad the Jews had it during WWII and before. But let's really look at the bigger picture. It is true that millions die but thats in a country to continent bases but Rape of Nanjing was just ONE CITY. Imagine what the japanese soldiers did in other cities. People, China isn't made up of one city, it has hundreds and over half was under Japanese control as well as Korea.</p>
<p>SAM LEE, makes good points. I duno Sam, maybe the reason the Japanese gets away with these things are because of their rank in world affairs in technology, economy, etc. </p>
<p>Also quick note, Rape of Nanjing wasn't just raping women, disembowling people ate random, killing children, bayoneting people for practice, shooting them at random to test their new rifles, selling them to the underground sex trade, humilating the Chinese race, but also just the psychological effects that it caused on the Asians view on Japan. Korean, well most I have known, respect Japan's technological and economic achievements, however, totally hate their history of ultra nationalism and thinking they are the best. </p>
<p>*PS: Oh remember that SS doctor...i think he was called the Angel of Death..well you thought he was bad? Take a look at the experiments Japanese people did to Chinese women, men, and children. </p>
<p>I seriously can't believe besides some of the posters above that no one really recognizes this event. Even though its one event, it highlights the Japanese atrocities. I also can't believe the U.N always favors Japanese and doesn't do whta is right and allow the world to understand what really happened. Seriously... I looked at my history textbooks in my brother's highschool and there is not even one sentence about the Japanese bruatality, but they seem to PRAISE THEM. WHAT IS GOING ON?!</p>
<p>rExRuN467, I think I know which part of history you're referring to. Did the Japanese also bury Chinese alive in mass graves? I've seen documentary footage on it, but I'm not sure if we're referring to the same incident though they sound extremely similar. I agree with you.</p>
<p>^ YES!!!I forgot to state that. There were so many methods or burial where one of their favorite was where thye buried someone up to their neck and sent hungry dogs to go and feed on the people. YUMMY!! ( no not really, i am being sarcastic)</p>
<p>rExRuN467,
interesting. Interesting topic you brought up. I never fully understood this event until I actually researched it...about 5 minutes ago. No apology? That's kind of weird. Changing history books? That's some major **** thats going on. wow... good historical events that was was once again overlooked by the people of the world</p>
<p>rExRuN467, I then totally know what you're talking about! You're right--BARELY any of my classmates have even heard about the Rape of Nanjing. My mom told me about it when I was little, so that's how I remembered. Gah, I just finished studying the Holocaust in my history class and watched a bunch of footage on electrified, medically experimented, burned, etc.... victims. Then I was looking up information about the Nanjing story and I can't even begin to describe what I saw.</p>
<p>rExRuN467,
You are asian right?! Am I right? POssibly korean or Chinese?! Well Spinach, it seems like the Asian people are the only people aware of this crime to humanity. It is only a matter of time before Japanese unrelenting denial will be overlooked and the truth will come out and people will give this horrific event the attention and respect it needs</p>
<p>Curiously, I have heard of the Rape of Nanking many times; I think that Westerners are far less familiar with the World War II siege of Leningrad, in which approximately one million Soviet civillians died from starvation, disease, and enemy action. </p>
<p>The record of human atrocities is incomprehensibly long.</p>
<p>1337noh4k4,</p>
<p>I don't know about that. Given Japan's economic power, no western power is willing to take a stand on this. Not even the US would since it sees Japan as the major ally in Asia. Japanese government is playing the delay game and waiting for the last survivor to die so that it will be free from any further trial and lawsuit (since there will no witness anymore); they never lost before anyway (the judges had been Japanese! LOL!). Many of those who have devoted their time extensively to this cause feel very frustrated and think that time is running out. The author of Rape of Nanjing, Iris Chang, even commited suicide last year.</p>
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