<p>Instead of just reading about it online I really susgest that you guys go out and actually get the book called the Rape of Nanking. I did not read the entire book (I've read most of it however) and I can tell you that it is disturbing.</p>
<p>Interesting fact... A German offical who was in China at the time, I believe his name was John Rabe (I could be wrong, that was the first name in my head), actually did write to Hitler to inform him of the horrible things that the Japanese were doing in China. While Hitler did not really hold anybody responsible, he did intervine and ended the massacar. </p>
<p>I'm currently taking a Seminar on South East Asian history, the Japanese commited some horrible crimes during the war in places that I did not even know existed before this class.</p>
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My greatest hope is that this book will inspire other authors and historians to investigate the stories of the Nanking survivors before the last of the voices from the past, dwindling in number every year, are extinguished forever."
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<p>It's written by Iris. If you do the math, the people who still survive are pretty old. They are the only witnesses left to give possible fight with the Japanese government.
Iris commited suicide probably because of the frustration? More likely though, she just couldn't bear what happened. Even she didn't witness it but it became very real to her as she's so focused with her research.</p>
<p>I saw some people posting numbers of people killed in other events. FYI, an estimate of 10-30 millions Chinese were killed. The Nanjing Massacre is merely a symbol of what went on throughout China during the 8 years of Japanese occupation. But I think what's most disturbing is not the number but the magnitude of brutality. I simply read articles here and there just like some of you probably doing right now and that's already kinda overwhelming. Now that I think of it, I also remember how I read about babies being put into boiling water! I also saw pictures from "unit 731", the most advanced biological and chemical weapons operation in the world; even the US/Germany was no match to Japan in bio/chem weapons at that time because the Japanese Imperial Army got China as their "lab" and unlimited number of Chinese to experiment and test the potency with!</p>
<p>Yeah, as you probably know, the Rape of Nanking is still a source of tension between the Japanese and the Chinese. I definitely sensed in a former teacher of mine (who was Chinese) hostility towards the Japanese. He avoided talking about the subject and was affected by it to the extent that he boycotts all Japanese products. I was surprised at his holding a grudge because he's objective and nonjudgmental otherwise. The event must have directly affected his lineage.</p>
<p>^ hey I am Corean too and I know how badly the Japanese treated Coreans during their occupation of Corea. It is funny how I looked up Japan's occupation of Corea in my brother's ap world hsitory textbook and they GLORIFY HOW JAPAN MODERNIZED AND BROUGHT CULTURE TO COREA AND TOTALLY MAKE THE KOREANS SOUND LIKE BARBARIANS WHO ATE KIMCHI AND DRANK BEER ALL DAY. you know. it doesnt matter anymore. It is obvious the Japanese government right now still got their nationalism in thier hearts, especially after proclaiming the island of Dokdo was theirs. They won't appologize even if everyone learned of the Japanese brutality. Seriously, why is the Sea of Japan named sea of Japan? Why is korea spelled KOREA.. not COREA. IT was spelled COREA but guess what letter comes after J?! K!!!!! K comes right after J and japanese changed it to the internationally accepted KOREA. During the world cup, if you guys ever see replays, you can see how corea had huge signs that spelled their name COREA.</p>
<p>rape of nanjing....
billions of japanese porn all over the internet...
those japanese naked festivals or whatever....
japanese movies like battle royale...kids killing kids</p>
<p>rexrun467, I feel you bro.
In fact, I actually received a detention for "class disruption" in my World History class. I partook upon the overheated discussion and engaged in a debate against my teacher who obviously had absolutely no knowledge about the Japanese' brutality.</p>
<p>How about the Dokdo issue? There are CLEAR evidences that prove Dokdo as a Corean land, from as early as 1400's.</p>
<p>By denying their past brutality, both in China and Corea, and claiming territories that the evidences suggest are really not their's, the Japanese government is committing the crime of denying history. Furthermore, they actually state in their textbooks, explicitly, that Japanese' occupation of foreign lands have had positive effects on the Asian continent.</p>
<p>The problem is simply aggravated by the fact that many textbooks, even in United States, seem to correlate positively with the Japanese' incoherent argument.</p>
<p>I personally think it's funny that everyone says Japan never apologized when they did.</p>
<p>I also think it's funny that everyone says they don't teach about it when they do. In order to pass the high school and college entrance exams, you have to know about the atrocities. The revisionist textbooks are not used. They're printed, but I think only .1% of schools actually have bought them. </p>
<p>Does this apologize for what the Japanese did? No. But, I hate when people hang onto untruths in order to support their position. </p>
<p>But hey, what are facts in the way of emotionally-based arguments?</p>
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Why is korea spelled KOREA.. not COREA. IT was spelled COREA but guess what letter comes after J?! K!!!!! K comes right after J and japanese changed it to the internationally accepted KOREA. During the world cup, if you guys ever see replays, you can see how corea had huge signs that spelled their name COREA.
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<p>The Corea/Korea argument is silly, by the way. K is more accepted as a romanization of hard c sounds than c is.</p>
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<p>NO, they DO NOT. Again, there are many many different texts being used in Japan, and only a VERY VERY small number actually say anything positive.</p>
<p>Look, again, before everyone jumps down my throat:</p>
<p>I am NOT defending Japanese atrocities, okay? Don't even start with that.</p>
<p>What I am saying is that using FALSEHOODS to support your argument is bad. The Japanese HAVE issued official apologies. They offered reparations to China, but were TURNED DOWN.</p>
<p>You guys think that this is the first time an atrocity in Asia was ignored in Western education? Try the bombings of Cambodia. The Khmer Rouge killing fields, the atrocities in Vietnam, the Maoist regime's murders of millions.</p>
<p>Hell, the Chinese killed more of their own than the Japanese could've hoped to kill, and VERY FEW Americans know about that.</p>
<p>But guess what? I have met VERY FEW Asians with a working knowledge of the Holocaust in Germany, so it goes to show you: It's only important in my backyard.</p>
<p>^^Yes, the Nanking Massacre isn't the only Asian tragedy...</p>
<p>When you said that "the Chinese killed more of their own than the Japanese could've hoped to kill" were you referring to the deaths from the communist revolution/rule or just in general?</p>
<p>UCLAri, I see where you are coming from.
I acknowledge, I was definitely wrong when I said the Japanese government never apologized. It is the matter of sincerity which I distrust--for example, being extremely vague in statements of apologies. </p>
<p>In addition, you are correct in that "it's only important in my backyard." However, this is not the case for this particular issue. Atrocity in Asia was ignored in Western education--however it is not justified--there is a universal agreement on the horrible aspects, and we perceive that it was WRONG. Most do not attempt to justify. On the other hand, when mentioning the Japanese occupation of Korea, many textbooks seem to justify. I find it extremely disgracing for American textbooks to claim that it has given much benefits to Korea when my grandparents were victims of the times.</p>
<p>I would like to add that I have no anti-sentiment against the Japanese. It is the Japanese GOVERNMENT that I dislike not its citizens. For some reason, it seems to make the statements in the least publicizing way, and in the most subtle ways.</p>
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<p>First off, the apologies were BIG news here. Trust me, I lived here during the last one. It was a big news deal, and in all the major outlets (NHK, Asahi).</p>
<p>As far as subtle goes... that's just the way these people are. They don't like strong statements either way. Plus, the last time they made a very strong apology, Beijing shot it down as another "Japanese lie."</p>
<p>To be fair to these people, imagine if you wronged a friend. You apologized, and he said, "Not good enough, do it again." So you apologize again. Only this time, he says, "You've never apologized before, so why start now? Oh, and not good enough." Repeat ad nauseam, and you get to see how the Japanese feel when it comes to China.</p>
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<p>Mostly just the Great Leaps and the Cultural Revolution.</p>
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<p>Honestly, I've never seen any textbook, American or Japanese, justify the war. I know they're out there, but maybe I've been lucky.</p>
<p>UCLAri PLEASE. DON"T EVEN GET ME STARTED,
funny isn't it that a Japanese guy is defending his country. OF COURSE YOU AREN'T GOING TO SAY," MY COUNTRY DID BAD. WE ARE TOTAL MONSTERS BACK THEN." YOu cover up Japanese atrocities by stating that CHINESE KILLED MORE OF THEIR PEOPLE. YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. DON'T YOU GET IT, they WERE KILLING THEMSELVES, not BEING KILLED BY FOREIGNERS. UCLAri, Japanese government was about to get their asses sued like CRAZY by the people affected by their occupations, HOWEVER, they came back with statements like," OH THAT WAS THEN, THIS IS NOW" and statements also like,TREATIES BETWEEN COUNTRIES HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED OUR APOLOGIES or Crap like that. also what do you mean YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY TEXTBOOK AMERICAN OF JAPANESE JUSTIFY WAR. Look at history books throughout the US. I've looked at my old world history book and they never said ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THE JAPANESE DID TO THE PEOPLE. </p>
<p>You would not believe how much Korean people hate your people. The only reason why we have any association with you guys are because of money.</p>