<p>Has everybody started sending their scores(SAT 1 and SATIIs) and transcript for pre-read?
Does anybody know how soon we know the results? Do they call us with good news or bad news, either case?</p>
<p>We have been asked to send SATs, SAT2s, final year transcript, and school profile info. I am guessing they want to know that the recruits they are contacting have the credentials to get in to their school but we have not heard anything about a pre-read.</p>
<p>We’ve been curious too, about whether these documents are getting passed quickly through admissions or are just for the eyes of experienced coaches, who probably have a good sense of who is and is not admissable. Anyone who’s been through the process know? How does sending that info. to coaches before and after OV’s have been set up differ from academic pre-reads? Is that all you do, or does the student send info. directly to admissions at some point? </p>
<p>My kid has gotten feedback from the coaches each time he’s sent that info. in, but no reference to admissions. </p>
<p>Apologies if this sidetracks the thread, but I’m also curious about exactly when to request a financial aid pre-read. Is it usual to do that right after the official is set?</p>
<p>When did they first ask to send the info?</p>
<p>Grades? I think the first time he was asked was before winter term–but maybe that was just one school. Others asked this spring. Not all the coaches he’s been in touch with have asked for transcripts.</p>
<p>Test scores? Harder to say, as I think he’s just been sending those without being asked–good excuse to email the coach!</p>
<p>DS experience sounds similar to classicalmama. Several schools asked for mid-junior year transcript about February and SAT stuff as available. Everyone has asked by now - some saying please send asap and referencing a call on July 1st. DS just received full year transcript. </p>
<p>One coach has been very specific about wanting the info to present to Admissions in order to schedule the OV. Others have not gone that far, but they have all asked for full transcript, HS profile, SAT I and SAT IIs, and senior schedule.</p>
<p>One coach who seems very positive about DS has been a complete surprise. This just shows you how you never know. DS has been sending emails and updates to school 1 since January. He was very excited about the school for several reasons. He never received a response - nothing. DS kind of lost interest as other coaches responded and were very encouraging and engaging - and so DS did more research, learned about their schools, and kept emailing school 1 but with less interest each time. Now school 1 is all over him, apologizing for not getting in touch earlier and wanting to establish a dialogue. </p>
<p>Taking it all with a grain of salt - you just don’t know - keep learning and keep options open. DS will visit about 5-7 unofficially this summer to get a better perspective.</p>
<p>Requests for pre-read material are mostly out for upper tier swim recruits (regardless if you have sent them grades/test scores before) as July 1st approaches. These include Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Yale, Columbia, and Pton. Most asked for SAT, SAT2, transcript, and anticipated 12th grade courses. Some also sent their OV dates. If you are not sure where your athlete stands, I think you can send them the info and ask where they are in the process.</p>
<p>^5amriser
Did you mean that your child has already gotten OV invitation? I am sorry to ask here since I can not PM yet.</p>
<p>SwimHYP, I PM you.</p>
<p>Thank you 5amriser.
I have read your message, but I could not ask you through PM.
I am new this site.
I am learning a lot through this site by someone like you. Hopely, my child can get into his dream school.<br>
Congratulations on your son’s success!</p>
<p>So–just to clarify–a request for the academic info., along with or shortly followed by an OV scheduled signals an academic per-read, with no need to send anything directly to admissions?</p>
<p>Pre-read is done through the coaching staff who works directly with an admission liaison for that sport. You do not deal with the admissions directly.</p>
<p>Got it. Thanks.</p>
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<p>This struck a chord with me. My S (a junior from Sept) has a special email address that he has been using for recruiting purposes, and I also have access to that account, and will regularly go over what he is sending and receiving.</p>
<p>When a coach is rude, and can’t be bothered to respond to a personal email, I read tons into that. </p>
<p>Further, most Div Is write back to say NCAA rules don’t allow email contact till August. Some say this v nicely and wish S well, ask him to complete a RQ and email them time updates in the meantime, and one was quite rude. The Asst coach, sent a reply to my son, the tone of which was ‘are you daft, why are you writing’? Funnily, the Head Coach (S’s emails are usually to HC, with ACs cc’d) replied very politely, and invited my son to complete a RQ, and explained that other than this, he could not communicate with my son for now. If my son were able to get offered a place there and somewhere else that was equally as good, unless it was certain that my son would have no dealings with said AC, he will choose the other school. If they are rude and shirty before you get there, what are they going to be like when you are there? I want my son’s experience at College to be a positive one and not marred by someone on a power trip.</p>
<p>I know you have the Jekyll and Hyde coaches too, but if they are on a trip when they should be at their best, then from my PoV, it doesn’t really bode well for the future.</p>
<p>The few schools who would not even acknowledge S’s emails are also off our list (you see our list is still very massive, and at the end of the day, S can really only attend one school). That is just either rude, or ignorant, as NCAA rules do allow Div I schools to make contact before Junior year to point out this restriction in Div I contact rules.</p>
<p>We were specifically advised to make contact at the end of the sophomore year, as it can put you on a coach’s radar, whether or not they can actively do anything about it.</p>
<p>We have a lot of interest already, and because of our particular circumstances, we also have quite a few options, which I appreciate is not the same for everybody (S may go to uni in another country). Whilst some of this interest is really flattering, assuming S continues as hoped for, I will only support him to go somewhere where I have seen evidence that he will be respected as an individual, which to me, includes, acknowledging personal correspondence.</p>
<p>While the rude emails might be indicative of the coaches’ attitude, I would suggest not to read too much into the “no reply” situation. There are many circumstances that might result in a no reply scenario (coaching staff changes, retirement, recruitment software glitches, email problems, etc.).</p>
<p>Not sure if someone already addressed this, but for us the coach’s request for grades/scores was not usually the same as a preread. My sense was that coach wanted grades/scores in order to know whether the athlete was recruitable at all, and whether it was worth continuing the conversation. But the preread was different, involving assembling a packet (but sent to the coach, who would then take it to admissions). Different schools wanted different things…all wanted transcript and test scores, but some also wanted senior year course lineup, list of extracurriculars, school profile, etc. When the approval came back, it was after a week or two, and it was a formal thing…one school would leave voicemail but wouldn’t say what the message was, and D played a frustrating round of phone tag for several days. It was like receiving a medical diagnosis, lol! Good luck, you all have an exciting summer/fall ahead of you.</p>
<p>I really agree with the comments about not writing off a school too quickly just because of little/no/rude responses. I’ve had two kids go through the college athletic recruiting process, both ending up at high caliber DIII schools in different sports, and our experiences were all over the map. One kid focused in very early on one school that liked him/her very much based on grades/scores/times and he/she applied early and was accepted and is now a rising junior at the school, which he/she loves. My other kid went through a more typical process of communicating with about a dozen schools before narrowing down to 3-4 in the fall. One school – the one he/she will be attending in the fall – was very consistent about communicating with my son/daughter for six months before he/she applied. We visited the campus twice to make sure it was a good fit all around. During the search process, however, we visited a school that was all over my son/daughter and my son/daughter and I were sold, but then the coaching staff mysteriously dropped all communication until right before the ED deadline, when they showed up (way too late) saying they might have a spot. Uh, no thanks! Other schools were very professional, but simply had a philosophy of waiting and seeing how things developed in the fall (son/daughter is in a fall sport) before making any commitments. We found that this hurt the schools in the recruiting process against their peers, but it’s ok from my perspective to take this more conservative approach and you just need to understand what their philosophy and keep an open line of communication. Some coaches are just flat out better communicators and recruiters than others, but that does not mean that their schools and teams are less desirable. For instance, at one school we liked a lot, the head coach did all the communicating with recruits himself. He obviously was strapped for time and, as a result, his overall communications approach came off as less polished than the communications from other schools and it was sometimes difficult to decipher the message he was trying to send, but we also appreciated his willingness to take on the important task of communicating with recruits himself. My son/daughter stack ranked that school higher than some other schools that were more polished and attentive because he/she thought the personal dialogue with the coach, whom my son/daughter liked, meant a lot. The lesson I took away from all my experiences with my kids was that athletes seeking to play college sports should try to stay engaged in a dialogue with ALL coaches and programs that are realistic for them throughout the entire recruiting process because some coaches and programs are simply better at communicating than others and you never know how things will develop. That is not to say a kid should not drop a program that isn’t realistic or that has simply shown no interest whatsoever ever after a few attempts to communicate (my son/daughter encountered a found a few of those – rude not to say “no thanks”). My proof point is that a couple of schools that showed little interest in my son/daughter throughout the process came in a couple of weeks before the ED deadline to see if my son/daughter would still have an interesting in applying with support. I think my son/daughter was probably on their “hold/back up” lists and if he/she had not continued to communicate through the summer and fall, then he/she probably would have been dropped altogether for lack of interest. He/she ended up going to the school that wanted him/her all along, but the schools that came in late were strong contenders and I’m confident my son/daughter would have been happy at one of those schools too.</p>
<p>We have all our scores at this point, and do not plan to retake anything, but we have a camp date coming up at first choice school and since ds is on the fence for this “reach” I am holding off on transcript and The ACT until we get through the camp. He is technically recruitable academically, though not a home run, so for the moment I would rather not throw any shade onto his field performance ahead of time.</p>
<p>I am not sure this is 100 percent the right thing to do, but they’ll have all the scores at the end of camp this weekend anyway, so not that big a deal.</p>
<p>I appreciate the perspective from those of you who have been through the whole process.</p>
<p>Hobbiton: That was what I expected. Do you remember when that process happened? Specifically, was it before or after the date for the OV was set?</p>
<p>I feel constantly at sea in this whole process. Everything seems to be moving along just fine, but not quite in the way I expect, which makes me nervous, though my kid–who is, after all, the one actually communicating with coaches–seems unfazed by it all. </p>
<p>And to return to my earlier question: anyone have a sense of when to ask for a financial aid pre-read? If we have fairly normal finances, do the financial aid calculators provide an accurate enough estimate?</p>
<p>ReallyOk - well said!!
Classical - we asked for a financial pre-read after S was invited for an OV. Coach sent bunch of forms and asked us to send back the forms after July 1st.</p>