Academic reputation of BU and how it compares to other schools?

<p>I was recently admitted to BU and I am very happy to say I will be attending. I have this one question though. Whenever I tell people I’m going to BU, the first thing they say is “how much financial aid are you getting?” Its never “oh thats a great school!” or even “congratulations!” </p>

<p>Is the academic reputation of BU not solid? It irks me that Syracuse is ranked higher than BU in the US news ranking. I know its a stupid ranking, but it still is a very influential ranking system and a lot of people base their judgements on a school on that ranking. </p>

<p>My friend also said BU is the home of students who can afford it but the school is comparable to places like Penn State and SUNY Stony Brook. This makes me sad and fustrated because I think BU is a better school.</p>

<p>What are some schools that BU is comparable to, in terms of selectivity and prestige?</p>

<p>Just need some explanations here… I am an uneasy incoming freshman!</p>

<p>I would assume that if people know your family can't drop $45+ thousand a year for you, that's why they're asking. People told me I shouldn't even apply in the first place because of that. It's rude. But many people don't know the meaning of manners. BU has a great reputation all over the world. Don't worry about what other people say. Your education is only what you make of it and how you take advantages of the opportunities available to you. BU will offer you tons of opportunities and I'm sure you will succeed.</p>

<p>This is a good question. First, you should know a little about BU's history. Before John Silber, BU was a much more local school. He turned it into a national school but he also alienated almost everyone in academia - and a substantial part of the BU faculty, which divided into pro and anti- camps. Silber left the President's job but his influence remained for several years. Brown is the first real President since Silber and he will make massive changes that will raise BU's prestige so it approaches the quality the school actually has. </p>

<p>The US News rankings are absolute bull. For example, 25% of the score comes from a 1 to 5 scale on a questionaire filled out by college administrators. Many schools are now circulating a petition to stop the use of these rankings because they say administrators don't know about other schools. I have two slightly different takes. First, Silber's divisive legacy has likely affected how BU is ranked by peers. Second, what the heck good is a 5 point scale? I have not seen the data set but US News doesn't describe how large the differences are, nor where in their methodology the differences arise. What if you get tiny differences between vast numbers of schools but those then will lay out as 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. as though those tiny differences are meaningful? Without those disclosures, the rankings are useless - and they won't disclose them because they want to keep the methods proprietary because they make money from them.</p>

<p>The rest of the methodology uses stuff like alumni giving and financial resources. BU only recently hired a real development director and never pursued alumni giving like many other schools. </p>

<p>BU has many colleges and these include pre-professional and even part-time schools (like MET) that use adjunct, meaning part-time professors. That counts against - assuming that US News actually gets accurate info about BU since Silber was adamant that he hated rankings. </p>

<p>Let me give you one more example. Northeastern is a school that's getting better. No one in Boston would consider it equal to BU or BC, but it has some good programs and they've done a nice job building a campus and converting Northeastern from a commuter school. But Northeastern appears more selective than BU - and more selective than Chicago and some other fine schools. Why? My guess is that more people apply to BU and Chicago as back-ups, meaning a person applies to Harvard or Berkeley or some other fine school - where the odds are long - and chooses that one. If Northeastern is more selective, it's because kids apply to it more as a top choice, which means - giving Northeastern's actual status in this area - that they don't believe they can get into a BU or BU or Tufts or other school. Another school that's selective is NYU, but when you look at their numbers - which they only partly reveal - they're admitting large numbers from NY schools, followed by NJ schools, which means they're "winning" the contest for local kids. Think about the competition in NYC, which is such a bigger market than Boston, and that makes sense: there are more students at more quality colleges in Boston than in much larger NYC, so BU isn't going to win as often as NYU will in its market. From what US News discloses, the odds are low that they appropriately consider factors that influence the raw data.</p>

<p>BU is very much a work in progress. Silber wouldn't even allow cable in the dorms - meaning no network! The guest policy was from the 1950's. Your degree will become more and more "prestigious," for whatever little that means, as time goes by. </p>

<p>As for comparable schools, BU is comparable to NYU, Michigan and other large public and private schools. It has a solid core liberal arts college, a number of quality pre-professional schools and good graduate schools in the major professions. I grew up in Michigan and went there for law school. I would say BU is similar to Michigan or the other better Big Ten schools - though it is actually a little smaller than most. </p>

<p>For some reason, BU has a reputation for being more expensive. It's actually about the same as any other school - the differences betwen costs at private universities is in the low thousands. BU is more generous than most with aid, which is significant considering that BU doesn't have a giant endowment. </p>

<p>I have to say that where you go to school is not very important for the rest of your life. It's up to you, not the name on your degree. If people want to go to Syracuse - which is in a true pit of a city which gets 116 inches of snow a year - then power to them. This is a big country and a bigger world. I went to a top Ivy. I've said many times that if you pull out the kids who started rich, then you have a few real high achievers, maybe a couple more than chance, and the rest are just normally successful people. The stuff about "future leaders" and "the brightest" that you hear when you go to a Harvard or Yale is bull: the country is full of bright people, some at community colleges as they work for a living, and some God knows where. Al Gore went to Harvard but that didn't make him a Senator; his father was a senator (and that's why he got into Harvard in the first place). </p>

<p>It's normal to have "buyer's remorse" about college decisions. Relax.</p>

<p>Lergnom, that was great. Thank you so much.
lostandfound5, I dont think thats the reason because I do not qualify for FA.</p>

<p>Everytime I've told someone I'm going to BU I've gotten 'wow, great school' and 'wow, Boston is a great city'.....so.....</p>

<p>Same here loslobos71...whenever someone hears I'll be going to Boston University, they congratulate me and say "Wow, great school".</p>

<p>Haha everytime I tell people (mostly older people) that I'm going to BU they say "Oh, great school! My sister went to Boston College too in the 60s."</p>

<p>ARGH! That's more frustrating than anything!</p>

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BU is comparable to NYU, Michigan and other large public and private schools

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<p>Not to be offensive, but I think this statement is false. "BU is comparable to NYU" - ok, I'll go with that. BU is comparable to Michigan? Not really. I think the student body and reputation of Michigan is quite a bit stronger than BU or NYU.</p>

<p>brand, I'm from Michigan, almost my entire family has gone at some time to Michigan, my dad taught there, etc. Michigan has very highly ranked graduate schools - I went to the law school - including a school of naval architecture, but at the undergraduate level, BU's CAS and Michigan's LS&A are comparable. </p>

<p>My take is that the differences among all the good schools are marginal and depend mostly on the vagaries of reputation - which is often outdated, being based on a perception that may be 3 or 4 generations old - and place. Not that long ago, for example, no one considered the U of California schools other than Berkeley to be any good, mostly because there was an old East coast bias that serious scholarship was located in the East. That was dumb, and now that California has 33 million people, its state schools are extremely competitive for admissions - no matter the perception or reality of quality. One could say the same thing about schools in the South until recently. </p>

<p>Michigan is of course a good school but it's also a state school. A study found that public universities admit in-state applicants, when controlling for athletes and minorities, with much lower scores (perhaps 78 points on the SAT) and that this isn't true for private universities. Think about it: most of the kids at Michigan are from Michigan while only 20% of BU is from MA. Not to pick on a school I love, but Michigan also receives 10,000 fewer applications that BU - partly because they have rolling admissions, partly because they're a state school. Another example that selectivity is an extremely over-valued ranking. </p>

<p>What I mean is that you'll have at any large school a range of ability and motivation - a greater variation than at smaller and "elite" schools - and that the real quality, apart from concepts of prestige, at all these schools is probably about the same. Every school has professors who've written books. They all go to conferences. They all read the same materials and curriculums are discussed in departments and at the university level, and aren't randomly concocted. If you go to Vanderbilt to study math, you'll get a similar program as at BU or Michigan because that's what math programs do because that's what the field does and that's what the grad schools do. The quality of instruction at any school varies by instructor, and that has almost nothing to do with publication.</p>

<p>There are small regional advantages to going certain places. For example, if you want to be a lawyer in South Carolina, there are a few schools viewed as "better" by the "better" law firms there, not counting the national schools. If you're applying for a job in Grand Rapids - at Herman Miller, for example - and you went to Temple, people will ask why you want to live in Grand Rapids or what your connection to the area is. They wouldn't ask that if you went to Central Michigan or MSU.</p>

<p>What's your connection to temple? lol</p>

<p>Someone mentioned Bill Cosby to me yesterday and, in the brief second as I picked a school that wouldn't be well known in Grand Rapids, I thought of him. He went there. That's the way the brain works.</p>

<p>haha yup he did go there, but he didnt graduate :P</p>

<p>He did. He left after two years but went back after he was successful. Got his Doctorate from UMass.</p>

<p>Does anyone know BU's success rates for Law School and Medical School acceptances? Is there a website with this info.</p>

<p>Please don't cross post in the same forum.</p>

<p>Oh man, I had the same problem as you (in response to the original post by chocolateisgood)...UF is borderline top 50 from that stupid US News thing and it's been bugging me that it beat BU. Whenever I tell people I want to go to BU they get in my face about how it's so expensive and I should just go to UF because not only is it cheaper, but it is in the so called 'top 50'</p>

<p>but I believe BU is the better school...I have to stand up against them as well as my family at times..it's sad...probably because it's so far away that no one really knows about BU down here...anyway I'm with you about BU being a good school ^^</p>

<p>UF is one of my favorite schools and unfortunately, not being a resident (yet), I didnt have a chance. I'm a huge Gators fan too. I guess it's good I didnt get into UF, because I dont know how/which I wouldve picked.</p>

<p>BU has a lot of kids from Florida. You wouldn't be the only one.</p>

<p>serious i did not know that...since they are so far apart i would have never guessed.</p>

<p>I chose BU over UMich and no regrets thus far.</p>