<p>What would be acceptable scores for EA to Yale. I mean I take the ACT on Sept. 13 and if I get a 33+ (hoping for it) then would that be acceptable for Yale Early Admission? Or is it a break down like is 33 okay or is it 34, or is it 35 or what? I am wondering if I should apply early or just wait for RD.</p>
<p>33 is just fine.</p>
<p>It's all in context. </p>
<p>I don't want to spread false information, but my guidance counselor has told me that he's been told that Yale EA could be "pinhole-thin" this year, meaning that if your 33 ACT is not accompanied by URM, athlete, or serious legacy status, it's best to apply somewhere non-binding early and then wait for regular. Or, things could be normal. I don't know. I'm not trying to throw you off the scent because I'm applying EA.</p>
<p>Overall, if your first choice is definitely Yale, then go for it. If you also really like Chicago/MIT/other non-binding EA schools that are a little less competitive, then I'd go that route.</p>
<p>No one should ever apply SCEA to a school that's not his or her first choice.</p>
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<p>Not necessarily, I can think of a couple of reasons why a student might apply EA to a school even though it's not their first choice, and there are likely others:</p>
<p>They don't have a first choice school.</p>
<p>Their first choice school is ED.</p>
<p>Not that I would want to get in bc of race but I am black. Does this look like it would be competivite in the EA pool.</p>
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<p>Are you kidding, milessmiles? 33 ACT does NOT have to be accompanied by a legacy or URM status. It's the equivalent of a 2200, really, which is right at average for Yale acceptees. I think as long as you're up above a 31, you're past the mark and it all depends on other factors.</p>
<p>Dbate, you're in as good a shape as everybody else.</p>
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Are you kidding, milessmiles? 33 ACT does NOT have to be accompanied by a legacy or URM status. It's the equivalent of a 2200, really, which is right at average for Yale acceptees. I think as long as you're up above a 31, you're past the mark and it all depends on other factors.
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<p>I reiterate. If Yale EA is indeed "pinhole-thin" like my counselor has been told, a 33 unhooked ACT is almost certainly not going to happen. I don't think that's an unfair assessment. We're not talking about the average Yale acceptance here.</p>
<p>I do think geography plays a role. We live in ACT territory, and my kids have gone to two different high schools, one a highly competitive public, one a small parochial. At both schools, all of the unhooked students admitted to HYP over the past few years have had either a 35 or a 36 ACT composite as well as top grades and interesting-to-knockout resumes. Take a look at Naviance scattergrams for schools in your area to see whether you're competitive with a 33. Around here, without a recognized hook to go with a 33 ACT (i.e., talented URM, recruited athlete, development case, or some truly spectacular EC, like you're the next Yo Yo Ma) a candidate's chances at Yale are slim to none.</p>
<p>Why are we not talking about average Yale acceptance? There will be higher numbers of apps this year, but not ridiculously out of the norm. </p>
<p>I still don't think a 33 is ANYTHING to worry about, and I don't think milessmiles and wjb know what they're talking about.</p>
<p>Though, Dbate--I did just see your post on the Christian Colleges forum saying "There are no other religious schools besides Christian schools." That kind of ignorance is not going to look good on your app, or, if you do get accepted, at school.</p>
<p>Actually if you read the post it is more focused on america and if I am not mistaken I said:</p>
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<p>That is not ignorance, it is a fact, the vast majority of colleges with a religious affliation are Christian IN AMERICA, since we live in America I thought it would be common sense we were talking about American religious schools.</p>
<p>The 25-75 range on ACT scores for Yale's enrolled class of 2011 was 30-34. So more applicants with ACT scores of 33 or lower get admitted than those with ACT scores 35-36 (significantly less than half of the ACT submitters, even taking into account the 30% of acceptees who go elsewhere). And it's not just Yo-Yo Mas, recruited athletes, or children of billionaires. An ACT score of 33 is obviously not a disqualification, and an ACT score of 35 or 36 is far from a guarantee.</p>
<p>On the other hand, there will be A LOT more applicants with ACT scores 33 or lower than there are with 34 or higher. The ones who are admitted will stand out strongly in other ways.</p>
<p>And, by the way, I don't think Brandeis qualifies as a Jewish religious college. Brandeis is similar to Vassar or Sarah Lawrence -- an institution founded in response to overt, socially accepted discrimination, that maintains a base of popularity with the group it was created to serve, but that no longer defines its mission that way. Yeshiva University, however, is an official institution of some Orthodox Jewish body or other. There's also Maharishi University, in Iowa, that is an official institution of the Transcendental Meditation movement, which is basically religious, and I'm sure there are other non-Christian religious institutions</p>
<p>I was speaking of the vast majority. I kind of considered Brandeis a jewish school based on the cultural basis of judaism and the founding by Jewish ppl and if I am not mistaken there is a large jewish prescence there, so it seemed the closest thing to a jewish college to me.</p>
<p>Any way back to the original question, in your personal opinion what is an acceptable score for Yale EA?</p>
<p>If you were speaking of the vast majority, why did you say, "There are <em>no</em> other religious universities in America?"</p>
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I still don't think a 33 is ANYTHING to worry about, and I don't think milessmiles and wjb know what they're talking about.
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<p>How rude. I know precisely what I'm talking about with respect to schools in my community. I strongly recommend that students look at the Naviance scattergrams for their own high schools or neighboring high schools to find out if their scores put them within range for Yale or for any other school. It doesn't matter a whit if kids with 33s are getting into Yale from across the country if no unhooked kid in recent memory has gotten in with a 33 from your school.</p>
<p>In summary:</p>
<p>1) Look on Naviance for school stats and acceptance history.</p>
<p>2) Work a lot on your less quantitative qualities (essays, activities, etc.).</p>
<p>3) Don't be discouraged by your 33. That's a great score. To quote the Yale admissions office, "A very strong performance in a demanding college preparatory program may compensate for modest standardized test scores, but it is unlikely that high standardized test scores will persuade the admissions committee to disregard an undistinguished secondary-school record."</p>
<p>Hopefully that provides a relatively moderate summary of a surprisingly argumentative thread.</p>
<p>Good Luck!</p>
<p>I got in RD as an unhooked South Asian applicant (basically the longest shot possible). I had a 32 on my ACT (and 2200 SAT). This is, however, purely anecdotal.</p>
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Why are we not talking about average Yale acceptance? There will be higher numbers of apps this year, but not ridiculously out of the norm.
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<p>Because of the decisions of HP to get rid of early, Yale may start trending toward that idea by admitting very few applicants early. This is the information my counselor was given. This is what I'm referring to. In that context, I do know what I'm talking about, thank you. Do us all a favor and stop posting in this thread. So far, you've misinterpreted the intelligent remarks of two posters and continually tried to change the subject of the thread to make fun of Dbate. Go somewhere else.</p>
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<p>As opposed to what you're saying, which is that some kid has no chance to go to the school of his dreams because of one double digit number. That's entirely polite, accurate, and positive. But hey. You know everything about college admissions, right? Your word is the law, right? Your ACT score is the most important and largest deciding factor in your application, right?</p>
<p>You people astound me.</p>