<p>I wasn't judging the general character of the entire Ivy League, I actually have a couple of close friends at Columbia and Yale. However, I was pointing out that it is appaling how pretentious many people in the Ivy League are, given the amount of intelligence they are supposed to have.</p>
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It really makes me sick. I used to think that people in the Ivy League were cool, intelligent people, but apparently I was direly wrong.
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<p>hokay, whatever you say ;)</p>
<p>we are not pretentious, just awesome</p>
<p>im sorry if you find that offensive</p>
<p>Fine, apparently a correction to my statement is not enough for a self-proclaimed "Alcoholic". I stand by my quote, however if it appeases you, what I meant was "I used to think that [all or most of] the people in the Ivy League were cool, intelligent people, but apparently I was direly wrong." </p>
<p>Thanks "Alcoholic" for the persistent criticism. Apparently it wasn't enough to point out that the amount of pretentiousness in the Ivy League was very high; I had to further prove my point through you trying to make yourself look smart by pointing out the huge fallacy in my logic.</p>
<p>It seems that I didn't get my point across effectively. I was simply pointing out that it is kind of absurd to revel in a lower acceptance rate when it really doesn't mean anything to people who have already gotten in. I don't understand why anyone would revel in a lower acceptance rate and Cornell moving up a couple of spots in rank. That sounds pretty pretentious to me.</p>
<p>ever consider the idea that perhaps cornell students take alot of crap for going to a school with the highest acceptance rate in the ivy league? It's nice to finally see us closer in comparison to the rest of the pack.</p>
<p>Why does that matter? Who cares if Cornell is ranked lower than the rest of the Ivies? Isn't it enough that Cornell has the largest student body, and offers more people a first-rate education than any other Ivy League? I thought those were the principles that Cornell was founded upon. </p>
<p>Thanks to Gomestar, however, for the first response that actually made a point. I do apologize for my intensity, I was simply trying to point out the absurdity among much of the conversation. I've talked with many professors from all over the Ivy League, and most of them have told me that they respect Cornell students the most because they are not as pretentious as the students from the rest of the Ivy League. It kind of makes me sad to see Cornell sinking to the level of the rest of the Ivy League.</p>
<p>teamzissou22, just because you're nervous that you won't get accepted to Cornell now due to the new acceptance rate, doesn't mean you have to whine on a message board.</p>
<p>No, I'm not whining about my own situation. I have already pretty much decided to go to another school for different reasons. I was simply trying to commentate on what I thought was a loss of Cornell's allure; it seems as though my intensity has drowned out my point, and I apologize for offending anyone.</p>
<p>hopefully their yield will go down and they will resort to using the waitlist.</p>
<p>I agree with teamzissou22 on this one, a school's character and educational quality comes first, not it's "rank in usnews." It is kind of dissapointing to see many people happy about the lowered acceptance rate, because straight up the only thing that is making you happy is that now Cornell is harder to get into to and more "like the other ivies." Furthermore, if the case was that people were happy that so many more applicants applied to Cornell, then yea that's a great thing to be content about, it increases publicity and shows that Cornell is attracting more and more individuals. But being happy about the lowered acceptance rate..that's just a case of pretentiousness as teamzissou22 stated.</p>
<p>Exactly. In the past, Cornell was able to differentiate itself from the rest of the Ivy League by boasting a higher acceptance rate and attracting a larger student body. It even praises this on virturally every piece of Cornell literature with the phrase "any person, any study". When I see people happy about a lower acceptance rate, it kind of negates the principles that Cornell was founded upon.</p>
<p>as a whole, cornell students are not pretentious. </p>
<p>unfortunatly, more often then not I find myself saying (on these boards) exactly what you say about Cornell: "Why does that matter? Who cares if Cornell is ranked lower than the rest of the Ivies? Isn't it enough that Cornell has the largest student body, and offers more people a first-rate education than any other Ivy League?"</p>
<p>Most boneheads on CC always equate selectivity with prestige and education quality. "Oh yeah, Penn is more selective, so pick that over Cornell, Penn is def. way better." As stupid as that sounds, I hear it all the time and it gets frustrating after a while. It also sucks because all Cornell students pretty much know that they're the hardest workers in the ivy league. At UPenn A&S, 56% of the grades given out are A's ... even the "average" student at Penn has a reasonable shot at an A in a given class. We grind the books day in and day out only to settle for that B+. I personally get sick of people equating quality of education and quality of students with acceptance rate, so it's nice to finally have something to say "21%, here you go!"</p>
<p>wow this is really an unneccesary arguement. seriously cornellians should be happy about the popularity of thier school. to harp on how happy we are about the acceptance rate is not a flaw in the character of cornellians. yes us news rankings maybe be trivial but thats just the way things are.</p>
<p>I couldn't agree with gomestar more. However, now that Cornell has its 21%, it seems to me that it will not be able to differentiate itself from the rest of the Ivy League anymore. And while, as gomestar pointed out, most of the people at Cornell may not be pretentious, the future of Cornell as a hopeful for the less fortunate is not bright. Even now, the discussion and backlash of many of the people on this board seems to indicate a shift in the Cornellian paradigm.</p>
<p>traditions traditions.. why not revolt?</p>
<p>Not that I'm advocating a lower acceptance rate, as that would mean I myself am less likely to get into Cornell, but part of what makes the Ivy League schools so appealing is their low acceptance rate. The lower the acceptance rate of a school, the more rewarding it is to say you have gotten in. Are you going to proudly tell everyone at your school that you got into Arizona State, which doesn't even require a transcript before you get in, or would you like to tell everyone that you made that 20 or do percent of lucky students that got into a selective school? How many students Cornell accepts doesn't exactly change the quality of the education it offers them. It upholds it, if anything, because they have to keep their class size intact. If the number of applicants goes up, but the admittance rate does not decrease proportionally, then that means MORE students in the freshman class, which means BIGGER class sizes, which means LOWER quality education. </p>
<p>I'm not sure that was entirely coherent, as I just downed half a bottle of cough syrup. Excuse me.</p>
<p>I acknowledge the fact that a lower acceptance rate is inevidable, but it is sad to me to see Cornell reverting to the elitism of the other ivies.</p>
<p>please get over yourself "it is sad to me to see Cornell reverting to the elitism of the other ivies" i think somebody is feeling the pressure of not getting in or his american dream is crumbling right in front of him.</p>
<p>No, actually I'm very, very pleased with the school I chose. I don't understand why it is necessary to make personal statements. There are many others who are contributing to the debate in a progressive way.</p>
<p>is Cornell not already elite, what's wrong with taking some pride in going to one of the best schools in the nation. We've (some of us) worked our butts off the last 4 years while all our friends were partying and slacking off, I think we deserve some respect and admiration. i would hardly call it a swelled ego.</p>