Accepted And With A 1700 Sat Score!!!

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<p>Here is an interesting read. Clearly, some public schools have gone through great changes, and private schools, some changing too, may be somewhat behind.</p>

<p>"Jonathan Reider, director of college counseling at San Francisco University High School, said most elite colleges' handling of Asian applicants has become fairer in recent years. Mr. Reider, a former Stanford admissions official, said Stanford staffers were dismayed 20 years ago when an internal study showed they were less likely to admit Asian applicants than comparable whites. As a result, he said, Stanford strived to eliminate unconscious bias and repeated the study every year until Asians no longer faced a disadvantage."</p>

<p>Too</a> Asian? :: Inside Higher Ed :: Higher Education's Source for News, Views and Jobs</p>

<p>A</a> MUST READ: WSJ - Is Admissions Bar Higher for Asians At Elite Schools? - superfuture :: supertalk</p>

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<p>2000, still about 300 points lower, would be much more acceptable to many people</p>

<p>Stanford's average SAT score is definitely not a 2300. It's more like 2150-2200.</p>

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<p>You should be right. (Asian students, though very few, I know all scored 2300+.) I am sorry for my mistake.</p>

<p>Stanford: For the Class of 2010, for Verbal, 65% of admitted students had 700-800, 29% had 600-699, 6% had 500-599, and less than 1% had below a 500. For Math, 72% of admitted students had 700-800, 25% had 600-699, 3% had 500-599, and again less than 1% had below a score of 500.</p>

<p>Stanford</a> University: Common Data Set 2007-2008</p>

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<p>1/2 AA 1/2 good ECs</p>

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<p>Stats for black males at top schools: [url=<a href="http://www.jbhe.com/firstyearenrolls.html%5DJBHE%5B/url"&gt;http://www.jbhe.com/firstyearenrolls.html]JBHE[/url&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p>

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<p>Amen to that wewill2009!</p>

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<p>I agree with WeWill. Immigrant asians are some of the smartest and most educated people in the US. (You have to be to come out of China, India, or Japan)</p>

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<p>you know, some of the posts i have seen on this thread really make me embarrassed to be a fellow stanford applicant
yes, some of the motivation behind stanford's decision to accept this individual was his race
but so much more of it was his excellent EC's and his great spirit and individuality
stanford would not have accepted him if he did not deserve it, regardless of his race. they know better than that!
you all need to get your heads out of your asses and realize that OP deserved every bit of what he received, and NO ONE has the right to tell him otherwise.
honestly, in the end, many people on this forum are elitist and angry that they did not get in while this wonderful individual did
more power to ya, honey</p>

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<p>compeletly agree with Oprah!!</p>

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<p>I too agree!</p>

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<p>congrats to them!</p>

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<p>Well, some people really disliked when I said Stanford makes "strange" and unconventional admissions decisions, and questioned it...but when I see someone happy as you (the original creator of this thread), I just say "great going!" and wish you all the best with your studies. </p>

<p>I really like your attitude, which seems to acknowledge why other people with more standardly strong profiles might be a little sad that they didn't get in when you did. </p>

<p>While it's fine for people to speculate why things happened why they did, it is definitely insensitive to just wrap this guy up under the "affirmative action" category. SAT scores definitely are not everything. I'd hope Stanford is making sound decisions overall, that's all.</p>

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<p>wow congrats!! you're really involved!! ur extracurriculars r excellent!!</p>

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<p>lol... this is from last year...</p>

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<p>lulz, it indeed is.</p>

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<p>I should have known this thread was going to show up eventually. I'm just surprised it didn't show up sooner. </p>

<p>But looking back at this guy's stats, in all honesty, the only flaw in his application were his standardized test scores and everything else was pretty damn near perfect. Great grades/rank, rigorous course load (Stanford's #1 criteria btw. NOT test scores), great activities, great essays (presumably), so yeah. </p>

<p>I'm sure the the low score initially shocked the adcoms, but I think what saved him (and this was mentioned once before but most people glanced over it) was the fact that he also did relatively poorly on the Spanish SAT 2. Here we have a <em>native</em> spanish speaker who didn't even break a 700. This must have been a clear indicator to the admissions officer that this applicant simply just had trouble with standardized testing, and wasn't simply below-par. So, his SAT 2 is what probably saved him from a bad SAT 1 because it put that SAT 1 score into perspective.</p>

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<p>^^ that's an interesting point re: his SAT II.</p>

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<p>I noticed one thing in this thread is that anyone who is against AA will recurrently be branded as a rich, closed-minded white or asian with a lot of money to pay for SAT courses and private tutoring. Many asians are against AA, and many of them are very poor, suffer from social discrimination from school to work, are recent immigrants whose parents don't even speak english (as opposed to many african americans), and still get disadvantaged on the college admission process because their richer mexican and african american counterparts have the right skin color.</p>

<p>That's why AA is so despised, because it is so undiscriminatory and merely based on a the polygenic nature of skin color.</p>

<p>Give a bump to gman or other african americans, mexicans OR whites or asians who are actually disadvantaged (poor environments, poor parents, immigrants etc..)?</p>

<p>Sure.</p>

<p>Favoring rich and wealthy mexicans and african americans over poor white/asians? Really unfair judgment.</p>

<p>As far as the cultural aspect of AA is bolstered, you have to remember, that if sb wants to vow their prowess/special characteristics, they can always do so in the "additional information" section, for discrimination information, anything they suffered, or for any cultural aspects they may bring to the school. And they better make a REALLY good argument for it.</p>

<p>If I want to vow my math/science skills, there's not a "math/science nerd" button for me to click on the common app to classify me. Instead, I would just write my essay on a science related topic and make a really good argument for my passion. Same thing for african americans passionate about their culture: they should vow their passions and ability to contribute to Stanford in the essay, not by clicking a button.</p>

<p>"you know, some of the posts i have seen on this thread really make me embarrassed to be a fellow stanford applicant
yes, some of the motivation behind stanford's decision to accept this individual was his race
but so much more of it was his excellent EC's and his great spirit and individuality
stanford would not have accepted him if he did not deserve it, regardless of his race. they know better than that!"</p>

<p>The problem is not whether gman deserved his spot or not. He definitely proved that he is an exceptional candidate. The problem is that an asian with his attributes, greater SAT scores, amazing EC's would probably be rejected. Most people who are rejected have similar amazing EC's as gman, with greater scores, and many have his poor background. The difference, however, is skin color.</p>

<p>PS: don't be so hasty to classify me as one of those rich, spoiled asian/white kid. I am a poor guy who went through a lot of racial discrimination, who actually understands what it means to be beaten up and humiliated because of your skin color, having suffered through those situations.</p>

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<p>why did you post here? This thread is old and your points were superficial. There is a thread dedicated to the discussion of race and admissions, so you can learn why affirmative action actually exists.</p>

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<p>I am in complete agreement with faraday.</p>