Advanced Algebra in summer for high school sophomore?

Hi All,

DS2 is a high school sophomore and is on the lower math track at his school. He is currently taking geometry. He gets A’s in math and his math placement was due to weak math program in his grade school. I have concerns regarding next years college testing given his math level. He scored well on the PSAT 10 (95% National and User) with a significantly different reading than math score.

Is it reasonable for him to take advanced algebra in the summer so he will have this prior to the PSAT and he can take the SAT/ACT earlier junior year? In addition to the obvious advantage to his PSAT math, taking adv. alg over the summer would allow for an earlier test schedule as a junior. There is so much testing between AP, SAT/ACT, Subject tests and school finals that it worked well for DS1 to spread out the testing a bit. Any thoughts on learning in a summer vs. over the course of a year? Anyone have a child do this and regret it?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts and input.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me, especially if he can do the class online. I think that would be better than being in what one might call a remedial summer class. It depends what is available to him. It also depends whether he is looking to get credit. If your son is looking to actually substitute this summer work for a class, I’d want to be sure that it didn’t compound his problem of inadequate preparation in algebra. It also depends whether you S is motivated to do this.

My kid just missed being placed in the fastest math track coming out of 7th grade, due to 7th grade placement misfit. (It’s a long story. :slight_smile: ) The G&T coordinator suggested that he take algebra online during the summer and retake the placement test, which he did. Although he didn’t have time to actually complete the course during the summer–due to other things he only had about 3 1/2 weeks–he retested and moved up to the correct level at the beginning of school, and never looked back.

Thanks Consolation. Wish I had thought this through last summer and had DS2 take geometry in the summer. For clarification, he took algebra 1 as a freshman and did well in the class.

I have reached out to son’s school counselor to get input, and haven’t heard back yet. Regardless of whether the school accepts the credits, it may be wise to have him at least start adv. algebra (or algebra 2) /trig over the summer in the hopes he may reach National Merit commended or higher. He’s close, but without the math he won’t have a shot. It will be up to whether he wants to do it, if he comes up with other summer plans (work, study etc).

Thanks to those who PM’d with their input.

If anyone has a child who took algebra 2 /trig over the course of a summer and then started pre-calc the next year, please let me know of your experience.

My S did credit by exam for algebra 2, not exactly the same situation as your S because it was self-study instead of a class. He passed the exam to get credit for algebra 2, and went from geometry freshman year to pre-calc sophomore year. For my S it worked out great; he was bored out of his mind in geometry but in pre-calc he was appropriately challenged while still able to maintain an A without undue stress.

Definitely sounds like a good idea. Algebra is a key part of the SAT, so it’s worthwhile to make sure he understands the material well.

Would Khan Academy online be of help?

It really depends on your son’s facility for math. If math comes easily to him, then that’s fine – but if he needs more help, then he could end up with a weak foundation moving on. It won’t really help him that much on the PSAT & SAT because there are only a very small number of questions that are aimed at higher level math – it’s much more important on standardized testing to be able to quickly recognize the question type and know what the best strategy is in order to quickly answer the question. For example, sometimes the best test strategy is to simply plug the multiple choice answers into the formula and see what works rather than waste valuable time trying to work out the problem independently.

You might want to also check out the quality of the math teachers at your son’s school. Who would be his teacher for advanced algebra next year? If he takes the advanced course over the summer, would he go into precalc or trig next year? and who would be his teacher there?

My daughter tried to take trig over the summer at the local community college, but she dropped the course after a week because it was simply too fast paced for her to handle.

What are the real goals? If it is just the short-term goal of improving test scores, a test prep course might be much more effective. Your son would learn what he needs to know for the test.

If your son has a longer term goal of moving to a more advanced math track, so perhaps he could take AP calc as a senior — and if he is likely to be a colleges STEM major-- then the summer course may be the way to fill those goals.

Just keep in mind that for math, students really need to have a strong foundation before moving onto the next level. If a student gets only a cursory understanding from a summer course, the problem could come back to bit later on. Your son is getting A’s this year in geometry, but he could be struggling to get C’s next year in precalc if he goes in without adequate preparation and encounters a demanding teacher. You don’t want to repeat the problem he came in with due to weaknesses in his grade school math program.

And don’t assume that his PSAT scores are due to math level – if the score level is 95th percentile overall, it may just be that your son is a humanities kind of guy, and will always tend to be stronger on the verbal portions of tests than the math. Again, those tests aren’t really about math ability as much as they are about math speed and test-taking-ability.

Finally, what does your son want? He’s got great test scores already – is the desire to improve on the math scores coming from the parent, or from the student? Don’t fall into the trap of thinking that 95th percentile isn’t good enough or that your son needs to attend a prestige college to succeed. You don’t want to spend all summer arguing with your son about completing a math program he hates, only to find that his math score on the PSAT isn’t all that much better than it was before. There may be better ways he can be spending his time this summer, depending on his individual goals and interests.

My math guy always scored higher on the verbal part of the SAT. You can make a few mistakes in CR and still get an 800. He always managed to do at least one silly mistake in the math. My interpretation of the OP’s post was that the math score was the strongest score. In our high school the popular course to take over the summer was pre-calc. The kids who took it were already tracked one year ahead (in our school that means Algebra 1 in 8th grade) and they wanted to finish AP Calc by junior year. I think a strong math student can do the math in a summer, but it’s really so kid dependent.

I agree with the remarks of @calmom. I would also investigate the details of the summer school program before deciding. Our school district only accepts credits from its own summer program and some very limited other options. The district’s summer program is offered both online and in a traditional classroom, but both are very compressed in time. They cover a semester’s worth of material in 17 days (6/12-6/29) for the first session and 15 days for the second session (7/10-7/25). Even if you’re doing it online, you can’t start early or finish late. You are forced to do the online class in the 15-17 day window.

In our school’s summer program, the math classes work for kids who are re-taking a class for grade replacement or to re-learn material they covered before. They MIGHT also work for a highly motivated smart kid who wants to move ahead, but as @calmom said you really want a strong foundation in math before moving on to the next level. Check out how the summer school program works and who the teachers are before deciding.