ADVICE REQUESTED: Pressing Questions About College and Me!

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<p>I'm a rising senior. I live in Oregon State if this geographical region gives me any advantage. I took the SAT II World History Test and scored 780 and SAT I (cr 680, m 800, w 780). I plan to take three more SAT II Subject Tests in October, namely biology, physics, and math IIC. I'm interested in Ivy League colleges, but cost is a major concern as my family's income is at the lower end of middle class (barely over 100k per year). My school sends out several students to great colleges such as the lower tier ivies, stanford, and yale each year. This year, there are at least 4 students who have higher SAT I scores than me, national merit finalist standing (I have commendation letter only only), and 4.0 GPA. I have a 3.993 GPA and Salutatorian in my class as of now, but as you can see, I'm ranked below 2nd.</p>

<p>I have an incentive to retake the SAT I so that I may acrue a higher cr score, and increase my chances of getting merit aid, which I desperately need, at these selective colleges. Obviously, colleges to which I will be applying early action won't see any retakes (see questions below), but at least colleges to which I will be applying regular decision will and may offer me better financial aid packages.</p>

<p>The indecisions I'm having are and need answers to are as follows (I would like advice from any experienced CCers, preferably people who have gone through the same situation as I. FEEL FREE TO ANSWER ANY OF THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING WORTH SAYING):</p>

<p>Will a good SAT retake (cr above 700 and other section scores remaining as they are now) help me noticeably, specifically in my situation?</p>

<p>Is squeezing in the ACTs at the end of October worthwhile, considering the colleges to which I will be applying and the fact that I haven't prepped at all for this test?</p>

<p>Are there any good early action colleges at or above the level of Rice U?</p>

<p>I also plan to apply to Stanford and Yale. Should I apply regular or early action, considering the possibility of a retake? IOW, will I have a better shot at being rejected or deferred (I'm seriously doubting I'll get accepted at these schools the first round)?</p>

<p>I played the piano for 7 years and compose some music. Should I send a supplement of my best piano recordings and compositions considering the fact that I haven't won any national or state piano awards?</p>

<p>I'm spending the rest of my summer prepping for SAT IIs, getting ready for the following school year, and working on early action apps. Should I be doing something else?</p>

<p>Are there any prestigious competitions that I can compete in before regular admission app deadlines?</p>

<p>I have numerous local awards/honors and a few mediocre national ones that may be insignificant at a national level including Eagle Scout, AIME Qualifier, AP Scholar with Distinction, National Honor Society, Various state math competitions. Will this make a significant contribution to my application as a well-rounded individual? Coupled with my SAT scores, will this give me a noticeable edge over other QUALIFIED applicants?</p>

<p>Should the application essay sound like an A+ English Lang. paper with sophisticated diction or should I be honest and write in a conversational style and forgo sophisticated language?</p>

<p>Should I apply to Stanford EA, Yale EA, or a combination of other schools EA w/o binding? Which is easier or harder with my stats and with my situation?</p>

<p>If interviews are on campus, do I get paid airfare to and from the campus?</p>

<p>I've made a few what I would call "grave" errors in my academic career, namely doing terrible on my PSATs and losing 4.0 gpa during my junior year. How will this effect my academic competitiveness?</p>

<p>Thank you for all of your suggestions!</p>

<p>The Ivy League does not offer merit aid. However, many offer generous need based financial aid. If your family income is around 100K and you don’t have substantial assets, you will likely get good financial aid, especially from HYP which revamped their FA in the past year.</p>

<p>I’d retake the SAT and not sweat the ACT. Your initial score is good. Others who know more about merit money will have advice on what kind of scores you typically need to get to get merit money (again, no merit in the Ivy League). </p>

<p>Apply to S or Y early if those are your top choices. Boosting your scores won’t make a huge difference. The early pool has a higher percentage of admits but it’s also a more competitive pool. </p>

<p>Can’t speak for any schools other than Y (I’m an alum and an active alumni interviewer) on sending in a recording. Unless you’re near conservatory quality, I wouldn’t send one.</p>

<p>You’ve got nice awards, but for Y they are nothing special and will not give you a particular edge. They make you a qualified applicant but don’t push you beyond that.</p>

<p>The essay should sound like you, not like you trying to sound impressive. Reveal your personality in the essays.</p>

<p>If you want to interview on campus, the cost is on you. Yale offers alumni interviews which count the same as on-campus interviews. You do these in your home state. Interviews are not mandatory for Yale.</p>

<p>Poor PSATs shouldn’t hurt you. You still have a strong GPA even though you didn’t make a 4.0 during junior year. Yes, it would have been nice to get sky high PSATS and a 4.0, but these aren’t fatal flaws if the rest of your app is competitive.</p>

<p>Lots of questions here! My thoughts:</p>

<p>I think single choice early action is overrated. If you are in LOVE with a school, then yes, do it, but otherwise, I think there are better strategies (I applied Yale SCEA and was deferred–>rejected. I don’t regret it because only my safety schools offered EA, but in your case I would advise against it). You are going for merit aid. I think it would be more to your advantage to apply to a range of schools that are generous with merit aid (like Rice) early action as opposed to putting all your eggs in the Stanford or Yale basket with SCEA, which not only keeps you from applying to other schools early but also does not offer you much, if any, of a boost to your application (unlike ED). </p>

<p>As far as whether a good SAT retake will help you, I am not sure. As far as admission chances, probably not very much. 680 CR is a good score and is not incredibly low compared to your other two scores (I’m acquainted with people with 800 M/600 CR and 800 CR/590 M–that is what I view as a big gap). As far as merit money, perhaps. It depends on the school, but it is often very driven by SAT scores and as such, a higher score would probably be beneficial to you. </p>

<p>As far as the ACT goes, I am of a few minds: on the one hand, you can take it, hope for the best, and only report the score if it is very good. On the other hand, I think you are approaching testing hysteria and are in danger of burning yourself out by obessivly focusing on one aspect of your application. But, it’s your business, and if it makes you feel better to cover all your bases, you don’t really having anything to lose by attempting the ACT. Among my friends, those who were better at math and not as good at CR did better on the ACT. However, they had the advantage of prepping for it and living in a state where the ACT is king and is required for all students, so you are not quite in the same situation as them. </p>

<p>As far as your questions about interviews…no school that I know of (especially a highly selective school) requires an on-campus interview. Many of them offer them (although some do not), but if you cannot visit the campus, oftentimes they will offer you an alumni interview. If they do not offer you an alumni interview, you are not at a disadvantage. </p>

<p>Not doing well on the PSAT will not affect your application at all. Losing the 4.0 will have a very minimal effect, in my opinion. </p>

<p>I think the essay should sound natural, like a person telling a story–a very polished story, with no pauses or filler words and with proper organization, but a story nonetheless. I consider myself a pretty good writer–not the next Hemingway, but better than just adequate–and people who know me have told me that when they read something that I have written, they can hear me through the writing. At the risk of congratulating myself too much, I think that this is what you are going for with the personal statement–you want the admissions officers to hear <em>you</em> coming out of the page (and of course, to like what they hear!). </p>

<p>I hope this is helpful for you.</p>

<p>I agree with most of the sensible advice above. You are a fine candidate, but no one is a shoo-in at the kind of colleges you are talking about. Applicants like you will be accepted, and lots of them will be rejected, too. Steel yourself. Write good essays.</p>

<p>I don’t have a comprehensive list of colleges that have nonbinding, nonexclusive EA, but pretty much ALL of the ones I know about are fairly comparable to Rice, i.e., highly selective, academically oriented, non-Ivy private universities. MIT, Cal Tech, the University of Chicago, Georgetown, Boston College, Notre Dame, to name a few. All of them get almost as many EA applications as Stanford and Yale get SCEA applications, though, far more than the early applications that colleges with binding ED programs get. So applying EA probably doesn’t give you much of an admissions boost.</p>

<p>Most of the colleges at this level do not give merit aid, or do not give much of it, and I don’t know that you are going to stand out as a merit aid candidate there. So you may have to research somewhat less well-known colleges, and also all of the colleges’ financial aid policies. Many of the colleges that DO give merit aid pay a lot of attention to SAT scores and GPA; raising your CR score by 70+ points would help you a lot there. Don’t worry about your grades last year.</p>

<p>You may also want to look at quality public universities like Michigan and Wisconsin that do rolling admissions.</p>

<p>Thank you for these extremely insightful advice. You are truly kind, wonderful strangers whom I’ll most likely never meet face to face, but nevertheless, kind and wonderful. Let me just say your answers quelled some the overwhelming fear of going into the admissions process without proper knowledge. </p>

<p>While we’re on the subject of essays, I’d like to bring in another question:</p>

<p>Is it advisable to tell your recommender, the teacher, what you want him/her to put into your letter of recommendation? </p>

<p>I have a notion that what you write in your essay should directly match what the teacher writes about you. I hope I’m not being too circumlocutory.</p>

<p>Also, another thing that bugs me is this: will academically stronger students at my school, who apply to the same colleges as I, be compared to me on a school-wide level during admissions or will I be compared to the entire applicant pool on a national level?</p>

<p>Once again, thank you for your responses.</p>

<p>Just FWIW: Rice no longer has EA. It has Ed only.</p>

<p>A teacher might be put off if you told them what they should write. When I asked my teachers for recommendations, I included a copy of my essay and a cover letter briefly telling them why I was applying to my colleges and why I felt they could best recommend me. That way they knew the “theme” of my application and maybe got an idea of the points I hoped they would bring up. I gave them stamped envelopes so they could send it in without me seeing it, but they both chose to show the letters to me. They were wonderful and really matched my essay and application. Good luck!</p>

<p>Couple more thoughts. You only need 2 SAT IIs for Yale and most other colleges. Your history score is great, so if none of the schools you apply to require 3 subject tests, just take one more and make your life easier. If a school requires 3 tests, then just take two more. Sending more scores than the schools need won’t help you and your time would be better spent working on your applications.</p>

<p>I would head over to the financial aid forum and check out the threads on merit aid. There are at least two very comprehensive ones stickied at the top of the forum. With your profile you should be able to get some very fine merit offers if you drop your sights a couple rungs below the Ivy League. You’ll want schools in that category anyway so you might as well apply to ones that give generous merit. I’d also ask your parents to run their numbers through some financial aid calculators so you have a better grip on what your financial situation is.</p>

<p>I’d give the people writing your letters of rec a list of your extracurriculars, awards, academic interests, etc. but I wouldn’t tell them what to write. People write essays on very random things, like making a sandwich or taking a bus ride and I can’t see how a teacher could incorporate that. You want the teacher to write what they know about you because that’s all they can write on authoritatively.</p>

<p>From what I’ve seen in my state, Yale is pretty honest about taking the best kids even if that means taking 3 kids one year from a school with no track record or not admitting anyone from a traditional feeder school for a couple years. In my experience, there is no limit in acceptances for a particular high school if the applicants are strong enough. That said, I don’t see how admissions officers can help but make comparisons about people within the same school. Not being #1 in GPA and test scores (but being very close to them) won’t kill you if you seriously bring the extracurriculars, write a great essay, and are lucky enough to get stellar recommendations.</p>

<p>Once again, well said. </p>

<p>To Anxiousmom: Thanks for the update.</p>

<p>To AdmissionsAddict: It’s too bad my parents don’t have the same attitude as you. They are requiring me to take Physics, Math, and Biology for the following reasons/assumptions–>the top 5 students in my class have ALL taken biology, I will eventually major in biology, physics may give me an edge because virtually no strong student in my class has taken that course, let alone the test yet (they opted for chemistry instead), and math is required or recommended at most ivies (HYPS). </p>

<p>To tocollege: Great idea. I think I’ll try that. Thanks for these awesome suggestions.</p>

<p>This is depressing. My parents think I should just forget about this whole college application **** as they’d like to call it until after I take my tests. Apparently they think I’m not out of the dark yet and that I should worry about my tests before I worry about where I may end up. (I also have a role to play as I’ve been nagging them endlessly about depressing questions such as *what if I don’t make it to school A? *What if I’m the only Asian in my school to go to a bad school? *what if I get rejected to HYPS? so ultimately I unnerved them…but I really couldn’t get the thought of being on top of the application process out of my mind.) As they say it–if you screw up these tests, you are screwed at getting admitted to HYPS or any other prestigious university, so don’t even fantasize about irrational ways the process can go wrong. Period. (of course this all done in chinese) Anyway, I do agree with them about working on Subject tests and writing essays instead of constantly badgering them, but it’s really hard not think about this. </p>

<p>How do I get out of this despondent attitude and have a little faith in myself? According to my parents, my loss of faith is what contributed to the loss of 4.0, national merit scholarship award, a 4 on my AP test, and a 680 on the cr section of the SATs, so I’d really like to get out of this mindset fast!!! Any suggestions? Thanks again.</p>

<p>What if you get rejected to HYPS? Most people do. BREATHE. It’s not as though HYPS are the only schools worth attending, or if you don’t get in there, you’re doomed to a “bad school.” That’s the biggest mindset you and your parents need to get out of. </p>

<p>What does being the only Asian have to do with it? What if you are the only Asian who doesn’t get into HYPS? So what?</p>

<p>You definitely don’t need to take three SAT IIs. I know this is tough for your parents to understand, but the American college system does not accept students solely on test scores. Your time would be much better spent doing something other than studying for standardized tests.</p>

<p>I’m making an assumption here: are the only “good” schools for Asians HYPS? Because in reality, there are many excellent schools out there where Asian males from Oregon would be desired. Most of them are liberal arts colleges. </p>

<p>To address your other questions:</p>

<p>“Will a good SAT retake (cr above 700 and other section scores remaining as they are now) help me noticeably, specifically in my situation?”</p>

<p>Your scores are excellent, but getting over 700 in CR would probably be helpful.</p>

<p>“Is squeezing in the ACTs at the end of October worthwhile, considering the colleges to which I will be applying and the fact that I haven’t prepped at all for this test?”
I don’t think you need to take the ACT.</p>

<p>“Are there any good early action colleges at or above the level of Rice U?”</p>

<p>I have no idea – but I strongly suggest that you stop focussing so much on prestige and start looking at safety schools and schools with rolling admission. You should be building your list from the bottom up, so to speak.</p>

<p>“I also plan to apply to Stanford and Yale. Should I apply regular or early action, considering the possibility of a retake? IOW, will I have a better shot at being rejected or deferred (I’m seriously doubting I’ll get accepted at these schools the first round)?”</p>

<p>Can you do that? Isn’t Yale SCEA?</p>

<p>“I played the piano for 7 years and compose some music. Should I send a supplement of my best piano recordings and compositions considering the fact that I haven’t won any national or state piano awards?”</p>

<p>Depends on the school; some say don’t send anything. For ones who accept supplements, it’s probably OK, although my inclination is to say that if you are not amazing, send nothing.</p>

<p>“I’m spending the rest of my summer prepping for SAT IIs, getting ready for the following school year, and working on early action apps. Should I be doing something else?”</p>

<p>Yes. You should have fun. Relax. Hang out with friends. Stop being obsessed with standardized test scores. Do some volunteer work. Don’t take 3 SAT IIs – that is just so absurd I can’t stress it enough.</p>

<p>“I have numerous local awards/honors and a few mediocre national ones that may be insignificant at a national level including Eagle Scout, AIME Qualifier, AP Scholar with Distinction, National Honor Society, Various state math competitions. Will this make a significant contribution to my application as a well-rounded individual? Coupled with my SAT scores, will this give me a noticeable edge over other QUALIFIED applicants?”</p>

<p>No.</p>

<p>“Should the application essay sound like an A+ English Lang. paper with sophisticated diction or should I be honest and write in a conversational style and forgo sophisticated language?”</p>

<p>As other said: conversational, NOT an literature paper. Burn the thesaurus. </p>

<p>“Should I apply to Stanford EA, Yale EA, or a combination of other schools EA w/o binding? Which is easier or harder with my stats and with my situation?”</p>

<p>First find a good financial safety. Then find a rolling admission school. </p>

<p>“If interviews are on campus, do I get paid airfare to and from the campus?”</p>

<p>No</p>

<p>“I’ve made a few what I would call “grave” errors in my academic career, namely doing terrible on my PSATs and losing 4.0 gpa during my junior year. How will this effect my academic competitiveness?”</p>

<p>These are not grave errors. You are not a machine. You are a human being who isn’t perfect. Like all the rest of us. No one sees your PSATs, and there’s nothing wrong with having a GPA that’s not 4.0. </p>

<p>“will academically stronger students at my school, who apply to the same colleges as I, be compared to me on a school-wide level during admissions or will I be compared to the entire applicant pool on a national level?”</p>

<p>I believe you are looked at both as an individual and in context of who else is applying from your school. Sometimes a school may accept several students who apply from the same HS. Sometimes they’ll accept no one. It is not a given that the student with the highest SATs and GPA and rank gets in – but sometimes it is. There are no hard and fast rules. Remember that the acceptance rate at some Ivies is less than 10%, and not much higher at the others. That means about 90% get rejected. The chance that they accept even one student from your HS is small, so the chances of more than one getting in is even smaller.</p>

<ol>
<li><p>Tell your parents if they don’t stop abusing you you will be going to Oregon State.</p></li>
<li><p>SAT IIs are ABSOLUTELY USELESS. There is NO VALUE WHATSOEVER in taking more of them than you have to, unless you screwed up on one. If you have taken one already, take Math IIc and one science, and that’s it. If you admitted that you spent the summer prepping for SAT IIs, that fact alone would doom your application everywhere you care about.</p></li>
<li><p>People are not better students than you because they have one less B or 50 points more on SATs. But if you can’t make a case for yourself as the best student in your class, then you are not really a candidate for HYPS on an academic basis. They take multiple kids from the same high school all the time, but they rarely take kids who don’t have some legitimate claim to being “the best”, depending on the criteria.</p></li>
<li><p>Not being a National Merit Scholar is meaningless, too, at this level, although it might have made you a scholarship candidate elsewhere.</p></li>
</ol>

<p>Davezhan - IMO, you should worry less about your academic statistics (because all, (excepting your CR score, perhaps) are just fine), do as JHS says on the SAT II and think more about how to differentiate yourself from the formulaic others also applying to HYPS. You would probably best serve yourself if you identify within yourself what makes you tick–feel happy, feel fulfilled, feel calm, centered, renewed, energized, etc. (pick one)-- and write about it in your essay. IF playing the piano allows you to let go of the pressures and conflicts of the day and composing inspires a creative current from deep within, you should write about that; convey a sense of how important to your development as a human being piano has been. IF becoming an Eagle Scout was a fascinating journey for you, explain why. If your ES project fulfilled a lifelong ambition, tell about that.</p>

<p>Your GPA, SAT scores, and extracurriculars do fulfill basic requirements at all good schools; they are expected at the schools you plan to apply to. Proficiency at piano and attaining Eagle Scout are both time-consuming endeavors that require discipline and commitment. There’s no question that discipline and commitment are prerequisites for success at top schools and those schools will definitely want to see evidence of those qualities in your application. Beyond that, they also want to see passion because they know if you can be passionate about one thing, you can be passionate about something else and they can count on you to come to their school and do more than warm a seat in the library. The last thing they want is another kid who’s there because his prestige-minded, hyper-pushy parents have calculated his attendance since his birth.</p>

<p>“Davezhan - IMO, you should worry less about your academic statistics (because all, (excepting your CR score, perhaps) are just fine), do as JHS says on the SAT II and think more about how to differentiate yourself from the formulaic others also applying to HYPS.”</p>

<p>I would also add that the choice of HYPS seems very driven by your parents’ assumption that, well, of course, those are the colleges where the smart kids go. What is <em>your</em> perfect college environment? City, suburban, rural … Smaller, med size, larger … Kids who are a lot like you or kids who are very diverse … What makes you tick? I suspect you haven’t thought about that very much and that your choices are very based on how-do-I-get-to-the-tippy-top instead of what-are-choices-and-opportunities-that-are-right-for-me. Let this be a journey of discovery, not a journey of trying to polish who you are up for the same goal as everyone else. </p>

<p>You may want to open your parents’ minds up to the fact that in America, while going to a good college certainly has benefits, there is a much different approach than in China. Here, it is not HYPS + a handful more, or don’t bother. THere are fabulous opportunities at places you might not even have considered. Have you thought about any liberal arts colleges, for example?</p>

<p>My daughter’s strategy was to be finished with all her testings by Junior year. You should take math IIc, maybe one more science SAT II this fall, forget about any more tests. More is not more, as mentioned by other posters.</p>

<p>You should spend rest of your summer to finalize your college list and start on your essays. As a Chinese mom, I could appreciate your parents thinking. But I also believe there is such thing as a fit, even within the top 20s. I would make sure you have safeties that you would be happy to go to. I would also apply to schools that offer good merit money, just in case if your parents should disclose at the last minute that they couldn’t afford some of those top schools. It is very common for asian families to have accumulated a lot of assets, even with very little income, and find out they are not qualified for aid.</p>

<p>If Harvard is on your list you will need a total of 3 SAT IIs. I think writing essays that really show who you are is incredibly important. You need to come alive as a person when an admissions officer reads your file.</p>

<p><strong><em>As for my first post, I’ve received already a plethora of information and PMs, much of which reflect on the same opinions already present on this thread. I no longer need questions on the first post answered, but if you don’t mind, you can continue to give advice based on the additional information I provided below! Thanks again! I really appreciate your taking the time in reading these awkwardly long posts of mine, but I’m truly grateful for your advice. God bless!</em></strong></p>

<p>All of you left really great comments once again. A handful of you also suggested that “I change my parents’ mindset.” Clearly this is not possible for me, and you can read about it below. I think there are factors that have contributed to my not-so-perfect academic record. </p>

<p>Many people in my community including me know that I have a greater capability than I have expressed during these 3 years in high school. Since I don’t see any harm in giving a more detailed account of my life, I’ll do so in hopes that I’ll gain valuable insights and an idea of where to go from here. </p>

<p>My current situation is comparable to the book I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings to a small extent. </p>

<p>This summer, I’ve been enclosed in my house in order to study or feign studying (as I’m sometimes rebellious) for 6 hours each day. I do this to appease my parents and to give my parents peace of mind that I won’t fail my SAT IIs as I’ve done so on the cr sections of the PSAT (58) and SAT I (68). </p>

<p>I have a brother who’s one year younger, and is on a way to a brighter future than me with an 8th grade SAT score of 2090, a Freshmen composite PSAT score of 226, and a Sophomore composite of 230 (compared to my lowly 8th grade PSAT score of 1780, Freshmen PSAT 187, Sophomore PSAT 199, Junior PSAT 211, and finally Junior SATs 2260). I feel proud of him, but I’m ashamed that I couldn’t set a better example for him. As an open-minded person, I’m in no way jealous of his achievements.</p>

<p>My parents have done their duties well to raise the two of us and to let us have a good time once in a while (we are not always cloistered in the house). They’ve taken us on various campouts, local activities, and trips. We went to Portland this summer, and visited several college campuses in the area. I don’t find their request of staying at home and studying for 6 hours each day unreasonable. After all, they’ve given me everything, and what little I can do to honor their wishes should be done without question. </p>

<p>However, my personality is always in conflict with theirs. While they are sure that my dutiful preparation will guarantee a good score, I’m constantly at fear that my preparation may be in vain if I were to freak out during the test as I’ve done in my PSAT testing. Even worse, I fear that I’ll eventually disappoint them. The constant pressure of pleasing my parents academically is bad enough, but their hope that I can get into HYPS just breaks my heart. </p>

<p>As you can see, I’ve already lost esteem in getting accepted to HYPS, and the fact that my parents have put so much faith and preparation in me just makes it all the worse for me (emotionally) when they see the rejection letter from HYPS by April. Of course, I can’t read the future a few months down the road, but statistically speaking (and from these insightful responses), I’m already set up for rejection. </p>

<p>***Yet, in my mind going into HYPS isn’t my lifelong dream, but pleasing my parents is. I don’t want their fathomable reactions late April to put me into a depressing mood. Honestly, I’m happy to attend any top 50 or so colleges that would offer me a full-ride scholarship so that I won’t have to burden my parents financially. However, to my parents, matriculating from a prestigious institution will bring better jobs and higher salaries, which of course, is the ultimate goal my parents want for me. Of course, this is probably the same for almost everyone wants to be rich and influential, but my parents have a basis in believing HYPS means the start of a good future, which you can read after the next paragraph. </p>

<p>As of my situation right now, I’m already at the peak of tolerance by abiding to my parents’ wishes of staying cloistered at home over the summers (of course not including the vacation periods). Of course, I do get time off to go to Sunday services and Sunday school for 3 hours each week, I’m still socially isolated in terms of hanging out with friends. Because I’m so isolated all the time, I don’t even have what can be termed as friends right now. Maybe acquaintances or classmates when I see them but definitely not friends. Even at church, the people with whom I relate to (all of whom are white–>this makes me feel more than a bit awkward) are all distanced from me. To demonstrate my debilitating social health, the insightful posts to my questions on this thread are of more enjoyable and valuable to me than the words my so-called friends speak. Of course, I cannot place all of the blame on my parents as I’m naturally an introvert, but my social health is suffering. </p>

<p>Here’s a ‘quick’ bio-sketch of my parents and what formed the basis of their strictness and yearn for their children to attend HYPS (I’m really sorry for incorporating history into this arduously long-winded story, but I’ve learned to love history. forgive me): </p>

<p>My father was a farmer’s son and his family suffered through many hardships from the Great Leap Forward of the Communist Era of China. On the other hand, my mother grew up in the city and was directly affected by the Great Cultural Revolution, a time when Communist Leader Mao Zhe Dong forced landlords into exile or execution. Her dad was paraded through the city forced to wear a dunce cap as all local government officials or people in positions of power were forced to do. This was done to discourage people from pursuing higher education and influential status and worked at the time. Seemingly getting rid of socioeconomic classes by preserving equality among all citizens in an artificial proletariat class, the Communist Revolution backfired and gave way to years of economic backwardness, an undeveloped country, and an increasingly dictatorial regime. Until Deng Xiao Ping became the next chairman, both my parents weren’t in the best of circumstances.</p>

<p>Being liberally progressive, Deng Xiao Ping offered poor parochial students a generous stipend (more than what most common laborers earned at the time) and a promise for a better future through majoring in science. My dad was going to college at this time, so he was one of the first few to benefit from the investments in higher education. He eventually majored in electrical engineering and was named one of the top 30 Chinese scientists at that time. My mom, at the time, majored in nursing and they met and moved to Oregon. </p>

<p>***This is where and when they completely developed the steadfast belief that going to a prestigious college is tantamount to securing a future of prosperity. He was given offers to attend Cal-tech, MIT, and Harvard and major again in electrical engineer so that he could replace his Chinese degree with prestigious American degrees. Having gone to school for so long, he denied all three offers. At first, it seemed as if he’d made a good choice, but as the years passed, he grew into obscurity even though I am convinced he was and still is one of the strongest in his field. Now, he’s convinced that despite one’s ability, one must bear the mark of a prestigious institution in order to succeed. My mother also went through a similar process, so naturally she also has the same mindset. This is why my parents will not let me have any opinions on the matter of what I want versus what they want me to do to secure my own future.</p>

<p>Now, a quick bio-sketch of my personality:</p>

<p>If one word were to describe me, it would be ‘unconventional’. I strive to do things my own way and not only in academics. I always have the yearn to not follow tradition but am not so radical as to do something absolutely absurd or strange. Even my political views reflect this as I’m a moderate leftist. I tend to do things that are unprecedented, such as take physics c as a junior when only seniors take the class. I like to sing and compose and yet no one in his right mind would think I do these things by judging me on face value (I tend to be serious and sophisticated in public). I’m a poet who writes tedious essays, a science geek who loves the wilderness, a math nerd, who spends his free time (not doing math) but running cross country throughout the park and city, and an introvert who talks to strangers openly. This is me and apparently it really unnerves my parents who occasionally think that I’m missing a hundred neurons or two in my brain when I act in this manner. <–hmm, would this make a good introduction in an admissions essay?</p>

<p>Now, one last thing before I quit writing:</p>

<p>My parents want me to become a medical doctor, so eventually I’ll be matriculating to medical school. As of now, if there are any combined programs that you know of (6 years to get B.S.E. and M.D.) please let me know and provide a link while you’re at it. Thanks!</p>

<p><strong><em>If you’ve read from the first word to the last and made an insightful comment, I would really like to thank you for taking your time in doing so!</em></strong></p>

<p>Dave:</p>

<p>Your parents are not atypical of Asian parents I have known; Chinese parents who suffered during the PRC are particular concerned that their children receive the education that was denied to them or that they tried so hard to achieve. Unfortunately, they don’t realize that college admissions in the US works differently than in China and many other countries. It is not based on grades and scores alone but on many different factors, some of which is under applicants’ control (essays, for instance) and some not (hooks, diversity not only of backgrounds but also of interest).</p>

<p>So, even if you had absolutely perfect scores and grades, you might not be admitted to HYPSM. And without perfect scores and grades, you could still be admitted into HYPSM, provided that you have something more to offer in terms of ECs and other factors than just perfect scores and grades.</p>

<p>If you want to study medicine, there are many great schools where you could do so that are not HYPSM. Duke, Rice, Case Western, as well as many flagship universities and many LACs all will prepare you well, as well as HYPSM. What you need to do, besides preparing for the SATIIs, is to make a list of schools that are reaches, matches, and safeties, both in terms of admission and financial aid. Maybe apply to some that have rolling admission deadlines–these usually come early so check them out.</p>

<p>For combined programs, I believe Boston University has one. Brown University also has one, though I don’t know how many years they cover.</p>

<p>You also need downtime. Studying 6 hours a day is counterproductive.</p>

<p>You realize that you could have shortened your last post considerably by saying, simply, “I am a typical child of immigrants from China”? Your situation is not unique, not by a long shot. I know you are lonely, but you shouldn’t feel like you are the only one bearing these burdens.</p>

<p>Of course, you can’t really change your parents’ mindset. But there’s a difference between wholesale mindset-change and introducing a smidgen of rationality to their thinking. Spending six hours a day for a month or more preparing for one’s second through sixth SAT II is not remotely rational. SAT IIs are qualifiers only – they validate your high school grades by providing some objective standard. Once they serve that purpose, I’ve never heard that they have any further bearing on the admissions process. If you take five or six of them, actual admissions committee personnel may not even know it. They will check that your three scores are in range, and that’s about it. It will mean that your application won’t be rejected summarily, but you will still be in a pool of 15,000+ vying for 2,000 or fewer acceptances, and your SAT IIs will never be a factor again. </p>

<p>Your PSATs – they will never be a factor at all! You should not spend another minute of your life fretting about your PSATs.</p>

<p>Chinese families have their own cultural quirks, but there are some things I think are pretty universal. You have to live your life, not your parents. You love them, and want to honor them and their struggles, and be grateful to them, but ultimately you have to do that by becoming yourself, not by becoming who they wished they would be. Second, they love you. They want the absolute best for you, but if what they think of as the best winds up not being possible, they will still love you.</p>

<p>Dave,</p>

<p>I think you are a very strong candidate for any top school. I believe you realize that there is a distinct possibility you might not be accepted to your parents’ favorites, but please be mindful that this will not in any way be due to your failure to maintain a perfect 4.0. Those schools turn down SO many qualified, wonderful candidates. They only have so many chairs.</p>

<p>It’s heartbreaking to me to read you state that you will be attending medical school because this is your parents’ wish for you. That is a long, hard road which requires true passion-your true passion. There are so many worthwhile endeavors in life which you could pursue. I’m sad to think you might miss out on a vocation which would truly make you happy (and in the long run would still please your parents).</p>

<p>That said, please take note of the path of a colleague of mine. He attended our flagship state U. He went on to attend medical school in our state (not considered the “top” med school, but still an excellent one all the same). By virtue of his intelligence, hard work, and determination, he graduated toward the top of his class at medical school, and was chosen to do his residency at one of best medical schools in the nation. He came back to his home town to do his fellowship, then moved to another large city in his home state to begin his practice.</p>

<p>He is now in his early 40’s and is both a nationally and internationally renown surgeon. He travels the world to give speeches and instruction on the latest surgical techniques in his chosen field. He performs lifesaving procedures every day. He is financially extremely successful and has a beautiful home, ability to travel the world for vacations, etc. He has a lovely, happy family. He truly has it “all” (though I’m sure his life isn’t perfect, but who can claim to have a perfect life) and was able to achieve all of this without graduating from high school with a perfect GPA or a Harvard education. Plus, he is a nice guy to boot.</p>

<p>You can become a fabulous doctor and make your parents proud without getting into a “prestige” school for your undergraduate years. You can be happy if you don’t get into Harvard.</p>

<p>Go for it, you’ve got just as good of a chance as anyone else to get into the school of your choice, but if it doesn’t happen, do not berate yourself, do not feel that you have let your family down! Do your best and let the chips fall where they may. That’s all any of us can really do, isn’t it?</p>

<p>Don’t study all day-these schools want well rounded individuals, not someone who lives at the library. </p>

<p>Good luck this year and keep us posted on what happens with you. I know I’ll be rooting for you!</p>