Advice/Thoughts on Scheule

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<p>Just finished orientation/signing up for classes. I am a OOS pre-admit kelley freshman living in the KLLC in Mcnutt. I tested out of ENG-W 131 w/ my SAT and into 300-level French by the language placement exam. I want to apply for Business Honors and plan on majoring in finance. Also interested in Investment Banking Workshop.</p>

<p>Here is my Schedule as of now for the Fall Term:</p>

<p>BUS-K 201 - 1372
Discussion
11:15AM - 12:05PM
McNutt Central (MN) 001B
TuTh-Staff
BUS-K 201 - 1408
Lecture
2:30PM - 3:20PM
McNutt Central (MN) 208B
Th-Staff
(#1 on waitlist, hope to replace BUS-X 104 @ 8 am)</p>

<p>BUS-X 104 - 33308
Lecture
8:00AM - 9:15AM
Business School (BU) 323
MW-Dawn New</p>

<p>MATH-M 211 - 4394
Lecture
12:20PM - 1:10PM
Swain East (SE) 140
MWF-Stephen McKinley
MATH-M 211 - 4395
Recitation
12:20PM - 1:10PM
Ballantine Hall (BH) 332
Tu-Staff</p>

<p>FRIT-F 313 - 3169
Drill
2:30PM - 3:20PM
Ballantine Hall (BH) 138
MWF-Aiko Okamoto-Macphail</p>

<p>PSY-P 101 - 5828
Lecture
4:40PM - 5:30PM
Psychology (PY) 100
MWF-Irene Vlachos-Weber</p>

<p>ECON-E 201 - 2208
Lecture
8:00AM - 9:15AM
Ballantine Hall (BH) 013
TuTh-Paul Graf</p>

<p>BUS-X 255 - 12554 (KLLC Class)
Lecture
3:35PM - 4:25PM
Shea Hall (SH) 021
TuTh-Staff (2nd 8 Weeks)</p>

<p>Give me any advice you have about my profs, classes, how difficult my schedule will, how far the walk is to the 8am classes, ect..</p>

<p>Especially interested in how much work/how hard MATH-M 211 is. (I took AP Calc my junior year, but I don't remember much)</p>

<p>Also, how difficult is it to get into Investment Banking Workshop (GPA, ECs SATs)?</p>

<p>Also, when it says staff under instructor does that me it's a TA or that a prof has just not yet been assigned?</p>

<p>Thanks for reading this long post and I appreciate any responses!!</p>

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<p>Your schedule looks extremely difficult for someone who is trying to get into business honors. The best way into business honors is to come into IU with lots of AP credit and take a very light course load first year, probably about 13-14 credits per semester, so that you will have time to pursue EC leadership positions. EC’s are more important to Kelley in selecting honors students than academic performance, so long as you meet the minimums to apply, which is minimum cumulative 3.7 GPA and at least 26 credits by May of your freshman year.</p>

<p>Your schedule is 20 credits with lots of difficult and time-consuming classes, including K201, Math 211, E201, and the Frit class. You probably won’t have much time for EC’s/socializing with a load like that.</p>

<p>I strongly suggest that you take M119 instead of M211, especially since you took AP calculus as a junior in high school, which is quite a ways back. Advisors wrongly push kids into M211 who are not ready for it, based almost solely on how well they do on a 25 question placement test. Just look at the numbers. During fall semesters, more than eighty percent of M211 students are first semester freshmen-- in other words, they placed into M211 via the placement test at orientation. What is the overall performance in M211 of fall semester students? More than one-third drop the class. Less than one-third get a solid B or higher. With those numbers, does it seem correct to have pushed these students into M211, when for many of them, taking M119 would have been sufficient to achieve their program requirements? I would not risk starting my career at Kelley-- especially if I were trying to get into business honors, which requires the minimum 3.7 gpa-- with a “W” or a low grade in M211. There is absolutely no reason to take that risk, as people get into honors all the time without taking M211.</p>

<p>Last Fall’s M211 statistics:</p>

<p>[Bloomington</a> Campus Grade Distribution Report](<a href=“http://registrar.indiana.edu/gradedist/4108_report2a.html#BL-MATH]Bloomington”>http://registrar.indiana.edu/gradedist/4108_report2a.html#BL-MATH)</p>

<p>[Course</a> and Section Enrollment Statistics](<a href=“http://registrar.indiana.edu/~registra/coursesectn/cs_4108.html#BL-MATH]Course”>http://registrar.indiana.edu/~registra/coursesectn/cs_4108.html#BL-MATH)</p>

<p>So you are not in Hutton Honors? You might try for an easier schedule of only 14 credits in order to get into Hutton. You will be accepted automatically with a 3.7+ gpa and at least 14 credits, if you apply in January (acceptance is automatic, but you must apply). Your application to business honors will be stronger if you are a member of HHC when you apply.</p>

<p>[Information</a> for Prospective Students](<a href=“Indiana University Bloomington”>Indiana University Bloomington)</p>

<p>I would save tough grading E201 for next semester, when you will be in Hutton, and switch M211 and M119, unless you are very, very good in math. Keep Vaclos-Webber; she is the easiest P101 grader at IU. I might drop X104, too, so you won’t have any eight am classes, if you also drop E201. A 14 credit semester is very adequate if you are trying to build your EC’s and leadership resume while trying to get into Kelley honors. Maybe add A100 the semester that you are not taking X255 in order to get it out of the way. You have to add at least one one credit course to get to 14 credits if you drop M211, E201, and X104, while adding M119.</p>

<p>You can take a look at the resumes of students in the investment banking workshop to see their EC’s.</p>

<p><a href=“The Investment Banking Network at Indiana University: Error On Page”>The Investment Banking Network at Indiana University: Error On Page;

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<p>Whoa, that schedule does not look easy… K201, E201, and M211 in one semester… eeek.</p>

<p>I second bthomp on not taking M211, it’s WAY too difficult and it’s not going to be to your advantage at all. If you’re reasonably good at math (which it seems you are, having taken AP calc jr year of high school), take M119 which will still be challenging but not nearly as arduous as M211. </p>

<p>For your 8 AMs, McNutt to Kelley is a really quick walk, but Ballantine is a bit further. Luckily you have a bus stop right outside your dorm that can take you there once winter comes around and no one wants to walk anywhere. </p>

<p>As a general rule of thumb “staff” means that you’re going to be taught by a TA.</p>

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<p>Thanks for the advice guys. I dropped micro and will take that in the spring and will be taking either bus-x 104 or bus-k 201 and will save the other for the spring. I’m gonna try and stick with 211 because I’m fairly good at math and that way I can also maintain 14 credits without adding accounting. </p>

<p>Would you say that bus-x 104 or bus-k 201 is harder/more work?</p>

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<p>K201 has a sub 3.0 GPA in many sections. If you can take X 104 with Craig it is essentially a guaranteed A. I think he may only be teaching DA sections of it this year though.</p>

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<p>I don’t think it would be wise to have M118, K201, A100, E201 lined up in the spring semester either. That just seems like a death semester if you want to have the highest gpa possible. I would take K201 fall semester.</p>

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<p>^ This was my schedule my first semester at IU. Needless to say, I did not do well. Definitely don’t take more than two of those classes (or M119) in the same semester, you’ll wind up crying yourself to sleep every night.</p>

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<p>As a direct admit, you have the luxury of taking tough classes summers at cc without it affecting your IU gpa and whether you get accepted to IU (since you are already in). Plus, you need only a solid C in a cc class for it to transfer to IU. Direct admits don’t have to beat themselves up while at IUB by taking finite, calculus (especially M211), both econs, etc. if they can take these during a summer or two, which will give them more time for EC’s and just plain less stress in Bloomington. Direct admits in their first two years in Kelley, especially the ones also in Hutton, can seek out higher grading courses and take tougher ones at cc in summers, and thereby build a buffer in their cumulative gpa for when they start upper-level Kelley classes, which are nearly all tough grading. I know one person who posts here took about twenty credits at cc in one summer after freshman year and was accepted during that summer to business honors and later into IBW. Also, using this strategy can help you get a lot more hours, if you are an accounting major and need 150 credits at graduation to get a good job. My S has 122 credits (had no AP classes in HS) after three years at IU, and is set up to have a relatively light load senior year to get to 150 credits in four years.</p>

<p>The Credit Transfer Service shows which classes transfer from cc’s to IU.</p>

<p>[Credit</a> Transfer Service: Admissions: Indiana University](<a href=“http://cts.admissions.indiana.edu/]Credit”>http://cts.admissions.indiana.edu/)</p>

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<p>Greetings michigan2015 (unusual screen name for someone going to IU lol),</p>

<p>I can only give you advice on F313 with Professor Aiko Okamoto-Macphail since… I took her last fall as a French major. I first should give you a bit of a warning that the class is boring since it’s simply grammar, grammar, and more grammar. There isn’t much room for there to be any interesting activities and she has a set lesson plan down. The other negative thing about the class is that Aiko is soft spoken so sometimes she can be a little hard to hear/understand. Sit closer to the front so it’s not challenging. She is quite formal in her manner of speech with very proper and more advanced use of French. I’ve noticed several times that she would say a phrase in a more complicated way. It can be a little difficult at times trying to understand her, but I guess as a professor, it’s just a way to challenge you with your listening and comprehension skills. </p>

<p>Aside from that, she is a great professor. She definitely knows her stuff and is incredibly solid in French. She’s an older Japanese woman who lived in France for a long time before coming to the US, so she has a prominent French accent and speaks beautifully. You won’t question her skills and her knowledge in French grammar as she also teaches an upper 300-level literature class, F375, which you will probably take after F300 if you want to continue towards a French minor (I forgot what the requirements for French minor are though). </p>

<p>The class itself is essentially grammar all the time. You will basically cover almost all of French grammar from the very simplest of grammar to some “***” grammar (as my classmate friend and I fondly called certain areas of grammar). Make sure that you review and study everything in the chapters that are covered because she will test you on grammar here and there from the extra section at the end of each chapter. I forgot what that section is called but it isn’t covered in class. She didn’t always test them but she did on a few tests. It’s just safe to study them. :slight_smile: Your competence of French grammar will improve with the class and help you with the literature classes. I did F313 with F300, F306, and F315 in one semester (I almost drove myself insane lol). </p>

<p>Another positive thing with Aiko is that she is very friendly, lenient (as in rescheduling when you miss a test), and very open to meeting with you to discuss anything that you need help understanding. Another negative thing with Aiko is that she grades harshly on tests. Even tiny little errors or minor miscomprehension on a test will result in -1/2pt each (keep in mind that they can add up a lot). Read the directions on the test carefully because if you don’t, then you will definitely be punished for it.</p>

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<p>Your psyc class will be great vlachos-weber is a hilarious greek lady. You will enjoy her jokes.</p>