<p>Peter,</p>
<p>I don't think that you are attacking me however, when you keep referring back to something I said it seems that you are negating the source of the information or that I am simply pulling something out of my hat where al I am doing is simply managing the fact and backing up these statements with documentation and not simply providing you with rhetoric or sweeping generalizations.</p>
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And the only reason I mentioned a double legacy student athlete was to demonstrate that even the most likely least qualified students can pass at top schools; it had nothing to do with the persons's skin color.
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<p>Maybe this is precisely it. These threads never go on to this extent when it comes to talking about legacies, develpomental admits or athletes because most of the people who fall into these catergories will most likely not be a person of color. At the crux of the abti AA argument is the belief that a person of color has taken a "spot" from a "more deserving" non-minority person. But riddle me this..</p>
<p>Whose spots? </p>
<p>It's up to the college to decide who gets a place in the freshman class, using the criteria it believes is best for the kind of institution it wants to have. </p>
<p>No one is entitled to a spot, regardless of their stats. You may not agree with their criteria, but it is not up for you to decide whose "spot" it is.</p>
<p>Granted, when it comes to applying to many of these schools there are an overwhelming number of non-urms in the applicant pool all qualified and able to do the work if given the chance, but nowhere near enough seats in the freshman class. Although 12% of the us population identifies it self as african american, an extremely small number of sudents are applying to elite schools. </p>
<p>From the JHBE article</p>
<p>The Progress of Black Student Enrollments at the Nation's Highest-Ranked Colleges and Universities </p>
<p><a href="http://www.jbhe.com/pdf/2005freshmensurvey.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.jbhe.com/pdf/2005freshmensurvey.pdf</a></p>
<p>Fall 2005 (class of 2009)</p>
<p>Stanford 252 blacks admitted 156 enrolled black yeild 61.9 % 9.5 % of the freshman class </p>
<p>Duke 1867 black applicants, 163 blacks enrolled 9.5 % of the admitted class</p>
<p>Princeton 116 blacks enrolled 9.4 % of the freshman class</p>
<p>harvard 221 admitted, 153 enrolled black yeild 69.2 9.3% of the freshman class</p>
<p>Yale 1134 black applicants 122 enrolled 9.2% of the admitted class</p>
<p>columbia 1390 black applicants 114 enrolled 8.5% of the admitted class</p>
<p>Gerogrtown 1092 applied 300 admitted acceptance rate 30.2% 121 enrolled, yeild 36.7% 7.9% of the freshman class</p>
<p>Dartmouth 82 enrolled 7.9% of the freshman class</p>
<p>Penn 1229 applicants, 367 admitted 29.9 acceptance rate 193 enrolled 52.6 black yeild 7.6% of the freshman class</p>
<p>Brown 1089 applied 253 admitted 23.2 black acceptance rate 97 enrolled 38.3 yeild 6.6% of the freshman class</p>
<p>JHU 943 applied 343 admitted 36.5 admit rate 75 enrolled 21.8% black yeild 6.3% of the freshman class</p>
<p>Cornell 1126 applied 410 admitted 36.4 admit rate 175 enrolled 42.7 yeild rate 5.6% of the admitted class</p>
<p>MIT 365 applied 115 admitted 31.5 admit rate 55 enrolled 47.8& yeild 5.5% of freshman class</p>
<p>WashU 1884 applied 253 admitted 13.4% acceptance rate 76 enrolled 30% yeild 5.4 % of freshman class </p>
<p>U of Chicago 424 applied 53 enrolled 4.4 % of freshman class </p>
<p>UC Berkley 1572 applied 272 admitted 18.6 % admit rate 129 enrolled 44.2 yeild 3.1% of freshman class </p>
<p>Cal tech 40 applied 1 enrolled .04% of the freshman class</p>
<p>So from a percentage perspective, African Americans are a higher chance of being admitted, but the their numbers are not increasing.</p>