<p>"Alumni have a reason to donate other than paying off an admission."</p>
<p>Like what?</p>
<p>what i am noticing is that the minorities who are getting in are from private schools and don't seem to be poor, 1st generation, immigrants or anything like that. i think that schools are taking the rich minorities because this way they can appear diverse but don't have to worry about fin aid. that's just my observation.</p>
<p>"Bingo. You might be ready to declare that black or hispanic is synonymous with poor, poverty and lower achievement, but I'm not willing to make that leap."</p>
<p>Not ready to make that leap? under 125 Black students scored over a 1500 SAT in 2004 NATION WIDE. So, if the Ivys only selected there student body on SAT scores... thats a damn small population of Black students to divide among these schools. In fact, you'd likely hardly ever encounter one at Yale or Princeton, none the less befriend one. </p>
<p>Hmm... see any problem with that? Any potential social dangers that could arise from that? I hope so, I really do.</p>
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You might not be willing to make that leap because it weakens any argument you have but statistically its true and if its not staticatics its an exception which you already said dont matter.
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<p>Ok, thoeretically, I'll give you that for the sake of argument. Poor and URM are officially the same now. After staying that, do you guys still want to hold that AA doesn't perpetuate injustice and prejudice? Check and mate.</p>
<p>"what i am noticing is that the minorities who are getting in are from private schools and don't seem to be poor, 1st generation, immigrants or anything like that. i think that schools are taking the rich minorities because this way they can appear diverse but don't have to worry about fin aid. that's just my observation."</p>
<p>This argument doesnt hold up because URM's only make up such a small percentage of student body in schools which have more than enough money to pay every students tuition and the fact that there is federal aid for the poor. They could save more money by accepting only high income kids regardless of race</p>
<p>Pricks like you that will say I got into Northwestern because of AA will perpetuate injustice and prejudice, yes.</p>
<p>hmm, I guess what I'm really for is making decisions on economic status and all that stuff instead of AA. But you shouldn't blame some of the URM admissions on AA because most have a low economic status anyway.</p>
<p>"Ok, thoeretically, I'll give you that for the sake of argument. Poor and URM are officially the same now. After staying that, do you guys still want to hold that AA doesn't perpetuate injustice and prejudice? Check and mate."</p>
<p>I have no idea why youre so sure of youre weak argument. AA in this context is meant to create the generation of URMs that get the ball rolling and create the leaders of tommrow. How does that perpetuate injustice and prejudice.</p>
<p>And Maize, for your own sake, dont assume every URM you see in college only got there because of their skin color. You'll develop your own prejudices very quickly, if they dont already exist.</p>
<p>"Pricks like you that will question how I got into Northwestern will perpetuate injustice and prejudice, yes."</p>
<p>Thats what i wanted to point out, that is easier to argue that Maize and people like him perpetuate prejudice than AA.</p>
<p>Maize people with arguments a million times better than you have not managed to win this argument why should you.</p>
<p>"I have no idea why youre so sure of youre weak argument. AA in this context is meant to create the generation of URMs that get the ball rolling and create the leaders of tommrow. How does that perpetuate injustice and prejudice."</p>
<p>Maize&Blue22 is simply stating that if URMs are analogous to poverty, then it is spreading 'injustice and prejudice' through stereotypes.</p>
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Pricks like you that will question how I got into Northwestern will perpetuate injustice and prejudice, yes.
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<p>Name calling is the sure mark of defeat. I repeat myself: check and mate.</p>
<p>I say URM and poor aren't synonymous.
You say they are.</p>
<p>I say make decisions without regard to skin color - use economic status et al.
You say make decisions based on the color of skin...</p>
<p>...and I'm the one perpetuating prejudice? Are you kidding me? Did I miss something?</p>
<p>I didn't realize how increadibly racist and prejudice of a prick I am. I am truely sorry. Arguing for equality, what was I thinking!</p>
<p>"Ok, thoeretically, I'll give you that for the sake of argument. Poor and URM are officially the same now. After staying that, do you guys still want to hold that AA doesn't perpetuate injustice and prejudice? Check and mate."
How so? How does AA perpetuate injustice and prejudice? My acceptance to UCLA is going to create injustice? Actually, UCLA and other universities believe in a little thing called "social justice." You wouldn't understand what that really means since you're not a URM. Yeah, me being the first in my family to get a college degree, from UCLA of all schools will create prejudice!! <em>rolls eyes</em></p>
<p>i accept your apology, and sorry it was just the best name for how you sound</p>
<p>"Maize&Blue22 is simply stating that if URMs are analogous to poverty, then it is spreading 'injustice and prejudice' through stereotypes."</p>
<p>Those are the statistics. Statistics dont spread prejudice, people do. If you want to choose to ignore the fact that most people are living poverty thats your problem.</p>
<p>"dont assume every URM you see in college only got there because of their skin color"</p>
<p>This is true.
I hope that I would never go down this path because of my argument.</p>
<p>"Arguing for equality, what was I thinking!"</p>
<p>Youre not arguing for equality because it doesnt exists now and it will not exists without AA.</p>
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How so? How does AA perpetuate injustice and prejudice? My acceptance to UCLA is going to create unjustice? Actually, UCLA and other universities believe in a little thing called "social justice." You wouldn't understand what that really means since you're not a URM. Yeah, me being the first in my family to get a college degree, from UCLA of all schools will create prejudice!! <em>rolls eyes</em>
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<p>One person, no...but on a national level...</p>
<p>I've been over it three times now. I got several AA advocates to admit that racially based AA is only allowable because it is ok to equate "poor" and "URM" nesessarily and causally.</p>
<p>So you're trying to argue that being tagged poor and unable based on the color of skin won't promote prejudice?</p>
<p>I don't judge students here on skin color either. I'm just a phil major; I like from debating stuff like this. I really don't care one way or another, but I'm right in this case.</p>