Affirmative Action: Unfair Advantage or Deserved Provision?

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<p>Proceeding under the assumption that “AA” means African-American (I don’t want to provide the wrong information due to poor wording), here are a two excellent papers:</p>

<p><a href=“http://opr.princeton.edu/faculty/Tje/EspenshadeSSQPtII.pdf[/url]”>http://opr.princeton.edu/faculty/Tje/EspenshadeSSQPtII.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://www.econ.ucdavis.edu/faculty/mepage/econ250b/would%20the%20elimination%20of%20affirmative%20action%20affect%20highly%20qualified%20minority%20applicants.pdf[/url]”>http://www.econ.ucdavis.edu/faculty/mepage/econ250b/would%20the%20elimination%20of%20affirmative%20action%20affect%20highly%20qualified%20minority%20applicants.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>And furthermore, your puerile attempts to cast this in Manichean terms are laughable. It’s not a black and white issue.</p>

<p>See what I did there?</p>

<p>Anyway, don’t get it twisted. I’m not in favor of one scheme for admissions or another, but I do believe in correcting ignorance and setting straight its peddlers.</p>

<p>Have a nice day.</p>

<p>Oh, and with regard to what reason holistic admissions exist, there are a good deal of contradicting theories, so I’m probably not the best person to ask. The results of holistic admissions are clear, though; just take the time to peruse a results thread.</p>

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Hogwash.
See what I did there?
Corrected ignorance and one of its peddlers.</p>

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Just as long as you know that holistic admissions exist for a reason…</p>

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<p>Cute!</p>

<p>But you still have no response, and you know that the logic underlying your argument is weak. Defend it if you wish, but know that I have no stomach for nonsense. Copying my phrasing isn’t really getting you anywhere.</p>

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<p>Indeed, they do: they provide admissions committees with opportunities to evaluate applicants based on things besides numbers alone. As for the theory behind their origin, there are several conflicting theories: holistic admissions were meant to keep Jewish students out; they were begun to allow for the consideration of more underrepresented populations; or they reflect a greater desire for diversity on the part of the Colleges (along with a PR move). There is a fair argument for each, and I’ll let you select which one to put more faith in. However, the results of holistic admissions are clear: numbers aren’t all that matter when it comes to getting into a school. I don’t enjoy making declarative (and exclusionary) statements when there is a good deal of equally credible evidence floating around, and you won’t goad me to do so.</p>

<p>Good night.</p>

<p>^^^
There is also a fair amount of “evidence” that holistic admissions exists primarily to increase diversity but avoid ending up in court in places where affirmative action has been banned. Just thought you might want to add that to your list of possible theories about why holistic admissions exist.</p>

<p>Good morning.</p>

<p>I always though everyone was equal - but with AA, it seems not. Just saying.</p>

<p>I too used to believe that we were all equal-until when one boy told me that
“It’s bad to be black” and I went home to my mother to ask her to fix the problem. By the time I was five, I was already refusing black dolls in order to play with the pretttier white ones.</p>

<p>The difference: Your illusions were shattered at 17, mine were destroyed long before yours.</p>

<p>I super agree with you on your last post, nil desperandum. </p>

<p>Anyone watch Precious? Or read the book (under a different name I think.)</p>

<p>When she’s staring in her mirror doing her hair, but the reflection in the mirror is a “pretty” little tiny white girl with long silky hair. </p>

<p>I’m sure all minorities “wished” they were white at some point, mainly as a child. </p>

<p>Just like the Freudian theory of girls wishing to be boys because they saw how boys are treated “better” and how being called a girl is an insult to a boy, etc. I forget the term for it though. </p>

<p>If you’ve ever thought we’re all equal, you need to open your eyes, and your mind. </p>

<p>I don’t want to be “equal” with whites. Nor do I want to be “equal” with men. You can’t compare completely different things on the same scale. No one is better than the other, but everyone is in different “realms.”</p>

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<p>What? Again, you are completely off track here, and you actually didn’t read any of what I posted if you could write that sober. I’m actually very confused, mostly because I addressed that already:</p>

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<p>Don’t try to come at me until you have an original point to make.</p>

<p>There is also a fair amount of “evidence” that holistic admissions exists primarily to increase diversity.</p>

<p>“Our culture has done African Americans a great disservice by engendering a sense of entitlement among them, and they do themselves an even greater one by insisting on perpetuating that attitude.”</p>

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<p>Yes, that’s what I said, in addition to other historical reasons.</p>

<p>Let me not waste any more words on you:</p>

<p>[YouTube</a> - Felonious Munk Presents: Stop It B! Episode 5.5 (Conspiracy Theory Conspiracy).mov](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIv9CTvqzI8&feature=channel_video_title]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIv9CTvqzI8&feature=channel_video_title). Watch this and learn. He addresses you and yours quite well, I think.</p>

<p>I just died.
And here I thought no one on CC knew of Felonious Munk… :eek:</p>

<p>ksarmand: “Conspiracy Theory”? Please. Funny video though.</p>

<p>“Our culture has done African Americans a great disservice by engendering a sense of entitlement among them, and they do themselves an even greater one by insisting on perpetuating that attitude.”</p>

<p>I know what you guys are saying. I think people should get in because they are qualified. But I do support AA…to an extent.</p>

<p>This article right here just scares me…This is why I would think it is unfair…any other with the qualifications…I’m alright with. But they do make it extra hard most of the time for minorities than the"norm" of students.</p>

<p><a href=“http://patterico.com/2009/02/02/la-times-reports-on-ucla-student-who-is-both-illegal-and-an-affirmative-action-beneficiary/[/url]”>http://patterico.com/2009/02/02/la-times-reports-on-ucla-student-who-is-both-illegal-and-an-affirmative-action-beneficiary/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>…-faints-</p>

<p>Must have been 2 ass-kicking essays and mind-blowing EC’s.</p>

<p>Oh my god…</p>

<p>^^Hello all,</p>

<p>I thought you might be interested in something I recently discovered. Apparently, the plural of anecdote is not data (and its related synonyms like empirical proof).</p>

<p>Best,</p>

<p>ksarmand</p>

<p>affirmative action is racism(on the people who can deal with it least–immigrant asians)
revoke this discriminatory rule
50% of blacks in law school never get the degree…we need merit back in the system</p>

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Yawn.
I really don’t think I can take you seriously with a name like that.</p>