<p>agh if i were a virginia resident i’d be at w&m like that!
unfortunately oos financial aid isn’t that good</p>
<p>SUNYs
Minnesota
Delaware</p>
<p>Have you considered using an online college matching service to find some affordable options. I know myUsearch.com allows students to search by price, but you might also want to check out petersons.com. There matching service is pretty good as well.</p>
<p>(I second, or third,…)-U of Minnesota… around $13,000 for OOS Total “Cost of Attendance” around $26,000.</p>
<p>-BYU: Under $9,000 tuition all last I checked… Mormons less than half that. Total including room & board, books, misc. etc. “Cost of Attendance” under $21,000. Religious affiliation.</p>
<p>(I second) -Grove City College in PA. around $20,000 total “Cost of Attendance”. Somehow religious, don’t know specifics.</p>
<p>does anyone know about the rating or quality of the art and design school at the university of iowa? I’m looking for a good design school at a state university in the midwest.</p>
<p>boji–</p>
<p>University of Cincinnati’s DAAP (Design, Art, Architecture, Planning) is fantastic and world-renowned, but difficult to get into.</p>
<p>Our son is at University of South Carolina, and loves it. We are from PA. It’s a good state school, actually it’s the #1 International Business Program for undergrad in the US, who knew? The campus is just beautiful, a mix of old and new. Brand new honors dorms, super deluxe. Great off campus housing for upperclassmen - my son lives like a king. And the Greek Village - amazing!! REally good SEC sport teams and lots of school spirit. They give great merit scholarships to OOS kids - they are trying to diversify. Go Gamecocks!</p>
<p>One of the Best OOS schools for the dollar is SUNY Geneseo. Top school, academics and students. </p>
<p>Take a look at what Kiplinger had to say. I would also read the comments posted by parents, current students as well as the alumni. </p>
<p>[Top</a> 100 Best Values in Public Colleges - Kiplinger.com](<a href=“http://www.kiplinger.com/magazine/archives/2008/01/best-value-colleges-2008.html]Top”>http://www.kiplinger.com/magazine/archives/2008/01/best-value-colleges-2008.html)</p>
<p>I think in many cases, you will have to wait until June or July to assess actual tuition costs in many public schools; UW, Arizonas and the UC’s are a few examples as they are undecided for OOS tuition and are in the process of increasing in-state tuition. Kiplinger is out of date already for UCLA as tuition total costs for in-state as it stands now is around $26,000, OOS is going up but not set yet and UW in-state tuition is going up 14% each year for the next two years (28% total) and OOS has not been set yet. The OOS minimum tuition as it stands now is $25,056 and probably will go higher for 2009/10. So the point is, check your numbers for the OOS schools you are looking at on the school website sometime this summer to get actual tuition rates once they are set.</p>
<p>We visited SUNY-Geneseo with our son when he was looking several years ago. The SUNY schools OOS tuition is significantly lower than at publics in other states. It was a very nice campus in a beautiful little town, good academics, seemed like a nice learning environment. However, my son was not interested - too far away (about 7 hours) and too heavy on in-state enrollment (only 1% OOS at the time). </p>
<p>But, it seemed like a great school for in-staters or for out-of-staters not concerned by the heavy in-state enrollment.</p>
<p>I think the % of OOS at SUNY Geneseo will begin to change as more and more OOS realize what a great school and value it really is. It is comparable to many of the small highly selective private Liberal Arts schools.</p>
<p>SUNY Geneseo - consistently ranked as one of the top public colleges in the country. Worth checking out!</p>
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<p>[Welcome</a> to SUNY Geneseo](<a href=“http://www.geneseo.edu%5DWelcome”>http://www.geneseo.edu)</p>
<p>For Immediate Release — Friday, August 22, 2008<br>
Contact:
David Irwin
Media Relations Officer
(585) 245-5516<br>
<a href=“mailto:irwin@geneseo.edu”>irwin@geneseo.edu</a></p>
<p>U.S. News & World Report Names SUNY Geneseo Among 70 Schools in the Country Making the Most Promising and Innovative Changes</p>
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<p>In General Rankings, College Again Places No. 2 in the North</p>
<p>GENESEO, N. Y. – The State University of New York at Geneseo is on a new list included in U.S. News & World Report magazine’s 2009 rankings of the country’s top colleges and universities. </p>
<p>The college is one of 70 in the nation on the magazine’s list of “Up-and-Coming Schools,” singled out for “promising and innovative changes in academics, faculty, students, campus or facilities.” The “Up-and-Coming” category places Geneseo tied for seventh on the list of “Universities—Master’s” for the Northern Region.</p>
<p>In the general rankings, the college is again ranked second among the “Top Public Universities—Master’s” list for the Northern Region and 11th among the “Best Universities—Master’s” list for the same region. The college’s position in the general rankings is identical to last year’s rankings.</p>
<p>“Being on the magazine’s new ‘Up-and-Coming’ list is an indicator of the great strides Geneseo continues to make in advancing our mission,” says Christopher C. Dahl, president of SUNY Geneseo. “Our peers are recognizing Geneseo’s strong academic foundation and are increasingly aware that the college offers an outstanding liberal arts education in a public setting. These results corroborate other quantitative and qualitative data that surface frequently about a Geneseo education."</p>
<p>The “Up-and-Coming” rankings are based on data gathered from a peer assessment survey in spring 2008. All of this year’s rankings will be published Aug. 22 online at [US</a> News & World Report - Breaking News, World News, Business News, and America’s Best Colleges - USNews.com](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com%5DUS”>http://www.usnews.com) and in the Sept. 1-8 edition of U.S. News & World Report, which will be on newsstands Aug. 25.</p>
<p>U.S. News & World Report gathers a wide range of data to develop its annual rankings. The magazine relies on generally accepted indicators of academic excellence in such categories as peer assessment, graduation and retention rates, student selectivity, faculty resources and alumni giving rate.</p>
<p>“The consistency of Geneseo’s position in the rankings over the years is a strong testament to the college’s academic strength,” says Bill Caren, associate vice president for enrollment services at Geneseo. “Even though we advise caution in placing too much emphasis on college rankings, we know students and parents consult them and we are delighted to make such a strong showing every year.”</p>
<p>Geneseo will have 1,050 entering freshmen when classes start Monday (Aug. 25). The students were admitted from an applicant pool of 10,589. The mean combined SAT score for entering students is 1326 (critical reading + math), an increase from last year’s average of 1313. Both the mean combined ACT score and mean high school average remain steady from last year at 29 and 93, respectively.</p>
<p>“We have a superb and very loyal faculty who are dedicated to our students and this reflects in these rankings,” says Geneseo Provost Kate Conway-Turner. “The student experience here is second to none with the wide variety of available opportunities. Geneseo’s stock will only continue to rise.”</p>
<p>Does anyone know if Geneseo has made any progress on lowering its student-faculty ratio? 18:1, IIRC, is significantly higher than most private LACs which range from 8-12:1.</p>
<p>Because of continued cuts to SUNY in NY I don’t believe that has happened. That is the goal as they continue their move to official “honors college” status in NY. They are unofficially considered the public honors college in NY. </p>
<p>But if the concern is knowing your professors that was not an issue for me. </p>
<p>The classes were small enough and the professors make themselves available to the students that you do get to know your professors.</p>
<p>^ Knowing one’s professors is always a concern, but that is possible at universities as well (especially smaller private universities). If Geneseo wants to compete with private LACs, it needs to be comparable on deeper levels: a tight-knit residential campus community (can you comment on this, at present?), seminar classes around a table, etc. For instance, Lawrence University–an LAC in Wisconsin, name notwithstanding–claims that 90% of its classes have under 20 students.</p>
<p>Keilexandra:</p>
<p>Actually Geneseo is competing with private LACs. It may be helpful for you to visit
“SUNY Geneseo Class of 2013” on Facebook. There is a discussion group “What colleges did you turn down for Geneseo”. </p>
<p>I applied to several private schools and got accepted to most of them. I attended Geneseo because I felt I could get the same education at a much more affordable price. I was right. I saved money and then attended NYU for grad. It was the best decision I made. </p>
<p>I was very active in student leadership at Geneseo including being a Resident Advisor. I can tell you that the Student Affairs department is one of the best throughout SUNY. </p>
<p>As for seminar classes around a table - yes. I was a business and communication major and most of my classes involved group work and discussion group type formats. </p>
<p>I think the article below including comments from students, parents and alumni might be helpful. </p>
<p>[Top</a> 100 Best Values in Public Colleges - Kiplinger.com](<a href=“http://www.kiplinger.com/magazine/archives/2008/01/best-value-colleges-2008.html]Top”>http://www.kiplinger.com/magazine/archives/2008/01/best-value-colleges-2008.html)</p>
<p>I am a Va parent of 4. First is a college freshman at U of SC, journalism/business major.
Getting into one of the oft mentioned schools (UVA, W&M, JMU, VT) is very, very difficult.
It is a source of serious concern for many state residents. OOS may have a better chance of admittance with similar stats. USC is a great school but is 30K for OOS. We would have loved for DD to stay in state, but none of the schools outside the above were acceptable for a variety of reasons. She went to a very challenging HS, had a lower GPA, SAT/ACT scores which fit profiles so no admittance. I know many families facing the same problem. We know what our state has to offer and cannot access it.</p>
<p>Yes, I’ve heard that it’s almost as hard for an OOS to get into Geneseo as to get into an Ivy. In fact, I knew someone who got into Penn and not Geneseo.</p>
<p>^ So confused now. I have heard conflicting information about Geneseo–ballooning class sizes vs. round-table discussions, EASIER (because SUNYs are seeking to balance the huge in-state contingent) vs. harder to get in OOS.</p>
<p>IMO, Geneseo is competing with private LACs only on price differential. But that’s a perfectly valid method, and something to seriously consider.</p>
<p>However, I am open to being convinced otherwise! Is Geneseo OOS (how much merit is usually offered?) better than my semi-private medium-sized (~15k) state flagship, at which I will definitely receive some merit aid?</p>