<p>What a glorious argument, Cre8tive! Thank you.</p>
<p>Another issue found in the stats cited by Crea8tive is that at the Division I football schools on his list, the majority of Blacks enrolled are athletes. And places like Penn State, Clemson and Auburn should be ashamed of themselves. Well, maybe ashamed is too harsh. But it annoys me nevetheless.</p>
<p>Well, if you really want to be annoyed, how many of those football schools have ever had a Black quarterback or Black homecoming King/Queen represent a mostly white school?</p>
<p>"Another issue found in the stats cited by Crea8tive is that at the Division I football schools on his list, the majority of Blacks enrolled are athletes"</p>
<p>-What's wrong with that???</p>
<p>Meaning the only time these particular schools actively seek blacks, or should I say desire black students is for football and basketball. And we know that most of us blacks going to school for Div. I-A sports will not graduate from that institution.</p>
<p>few of these teams (unlike Stanford or Duke) require academic tutors and all work to be completed on the road, academics are put on hold, and as far as these black-recruits, academics are second priority and on-hold indefinitely.</p>
<p>"And we know that most of us blacks going to school for Div. I-A sports will not graduate from that institution."</p>
<p>Well, I don't really know how true that is....</p>
<p>Penn state has what 1600 (UPark) black students out of 40000... While that's not many by any standard, they stretch beyond sports teams....</p>
<p>"Well, I don't really know how true that is...."</p>
<p>LOL, black student graduation rates at state schools in the majority of states are horrible. For instance, 2/3 of black students that enroll at UMass Amherst will not graduate.</p>
<p>And the 6-year graduation rate (the NCAA standard measure) is just as bad for African-American athletes. A bit of perspective; Congress passed a college athletics accountability act a few years ago, sponsored by former Senator Bill Bradley (former Princeton and NBA star) and Representative Ed Towns also a former HBCU ball player. That law requires colleges that receive federal funds to report the graduation rates for student-athletes. Sadly, for Black students the rate of graduation is low. Schools like the three I mentioned earlier (and many others) just didn't give a hoot until the implementation of this law.</p>
<p>To be fair, HBCUs weren't so squeaky clean in this regard either, but their record was not so offending as "mainstream" schools. Plus, at places like Grambling University the football program had pretty good results academically. I forgot the name of the Grambling [and Green Bay Packers] alum who was a protege of former Secretary of State and Bechtel Corp chief George Schultz. He is a prosperous businessman and sits on a few corporate boards. A great success story from an HBCU, wouldn't you say?</p>
<p>wow I didn't realize that point about HBCU's Cre8tive1...thanks</p>