<p>The title is a quote I recently heard from an Alumn of an HBCU (Alcorn State U). What is your opinion on HBCU's (Historically Black Colleges and Universities)????
Do you think this is a conducive learning environment???
Do you think/know why they're necessary????
And whatever other thoughts may come to mind.</p>
<p>It's just something that makes black people feel good inside I guess. In todays society its a double standard for people who arn't white IMHO. They can be pround to be black/mexican what ever but its politically incorrect for white people to think that. Its nothing more then a heated debate against liberals and who ever. I think its silly nonscence and people need to use logic instead of creating their own little fantasy world in their heads. Oh well I'm done ranting, lets begin the flame war.</p>
<p>There's nothing wrong with having pride in being white, however I only notice skinheads and KKK members preaching white pride.
This is because they are just glorifying a skin color.
White/Caucasians have pride and exhibit it through where they're from for example Irish people don't say yeahh I am white and proud they say yeaahhh I'm Irish, and have St. Patricks day to celebrate. Polish people do the same, French, Russians and many others. So it's okay in society to have pride in being who you are and I think that is what HBCU's try to do is bring pride into who you are.</p>
<p>i've never heard of anyone that's white in America say they are proud of being white...except skinhead and the kkk. most white Americans aren't proud of anything, racially that is. it's proabably b/c most of them don't have a real culture or background they can identify closely with. for examply, the may be of irish or scottish decendency, but they don't know much about that culture of country...they just feel like white americans. i will say some white american's are very proud of being irish or french or whatever, but sometimes it's fake b/c they are just saying "i'm half french and half scottish" to sound cool when they know little or nothing about that culture. this one girl at my school is the whitest ditz you'll find and one day she claimed she was 1/8 portugese. here's how the conversation went...</p>
<p>white ditz:"i'm 1/8 portugese."
me: "really. and what language do they speak in portugal?"
WD: "i dont know...spanish?"
me: "haha. that would be portugese."
wd: "oh. well, since i'm 1/8 portugese i can apply for hispanic scholarships, right?"
me: "no. no you can't."</p>
<p>poor girl.</p>
<p>i think historically black college were created because it's the only place where some black students feel comfortable studying. i mean, if you were white or asian and attended a school where 95% of the population was black and hipanic, wouldn't you feel a little out of place. well i'm sure that's how a lot of black students feel at most colleges in the US. at least there are options for black student's to study in a school where most of the students are from their culture and where they can get a great education. we hipanics have no such schools. i still wouldn't attend a historically hispanic college if there was one, but to have that option would be nice.</p>
<p>and i'd also like to add that there are colleges that have other affiliations to a specific group. HOWARD may be predominantly black, but BYU is mostly mormon. but noone questions whether BYU is a "conducive learning environment." the only difference is that its specific to religion and not race. but what both schools have in common is that you don't have to be black (for howard) or mormon (for byu) to apply or be accepted. its just most of those who apply to howard/byu are black/mormon because thats by who the school's were founded.</p>
<p>Maybe white people don't cling to their pasts because they realize its potentially detrimental to their futures. Certain other groups could learn from this philosophy and quite whining!</p>
<p>so being proud of your culture and ancestors could be detrimental to one's future? haha. and how do you figure that? seriously, give me an example...</p>
<p>and who's whining?</p>
<p>maybe if you elaborated more your argument would be more credible. no offense.</p>
<p>Who is whining? What do HBC's have to do with whining, cswim06. There are other specialized schools like all-male or all-female and religious based type-schools. I don't see what's wrong with them.</p>
<p>Nothing wrong with being proud. But dwelling excessively on the past and using misfortune one's culture might have endured in said past as a reason for handouts today is not very productive.</p>
<p>I think most white people are scarred of being labeled a racist. Thats why they don't say anything</p>
<p>Cannot participate....don't want any comments showing up in later life.</p>
<p>somewhat of a tangent relating to cswim06's comment: every ethnicity in some point in time has been persecuted. i mean, WW2 wasnt as long ago as the Civil War and isnt it HARDER if your asian/jewish to get into college? hmm.</p>
<p>anyways, i think its a little weird/hypocritical in today's society to have HBCU's praised and then to shoot down a university that has a large caucasian population for not being diverse. but whatever.</p>
<p>He wasn't expecting you to aks that question now was he???</p>
<p>cswim06,
no its not productive. but that's not what historically black colleges do, or religiously affiliated colleges. they are created to celebrated and educate people who are proudly connected by a certain culture or belief. and in america's past, i dont white people as a whole were that disadvantaged compared to other races (ie native americans, blacks, hispanics). it'd be kind of stupid for a white person to say they're past puts them at a disadvantage because their great great grandfather was a slave owner. </p>
<p>btw, i'm not saying all white people's ancestors were slave owners. no no. i'm just saying that white people in america don't cling to their past not because it's detrimental to their future, but because they weren't the ones that usually had to overcome anything. it's only natural for some native americans to feel hold on to the fact that their people practically got wiped out, or for black people to remember what their ancestors went through, or for hispanics to feel like their land got stolen. </p>
<p>i agree that some people do take the whole "my ancestors were slaves and we must overcome the white man" thing to far. same goes for AA. however, you have to understand where those particular people are coming from. and you have to accept the fact that there are still racist people out there, and i will say that not all of them are white.</p>
<p>but i think schools that are predominantly black, or female, or mormon, or whatever aren't bad at all. as long as they dont preach that white people are evil, men are evil, catholics are evil, or whatever else, then its fine.</p>
<p>tawny,
the only reason it's harder for asians to get into a college is because there are SO MANY asians applying to them. asians are the second most common race in college admissions, so you can't complain that asians aren't getting in. it's just that asians have a lot more competition within their own race than blacks, hipanics, or native americans. lets say JOE UNIVERSITY admits 1000 students a year. chances are that A LOT more whites and asians are going to apply than minorities, and a lot more asians and whites will get accepted. but since so many whites and asians applied, logic tells you that more of them will get rejected than minorities since less minorities applied, therefore there would be less of them possible to reject. so there are still more asians and whites getting in.</p>
<p>Didn't most white people come to the United State around 1900 and where dirt poor? Lots of Irish and other white groups where discriminated heavily against when they came here. Now if we called Ivy League univesities historically white colleges and tried to keep them that way there would be a big big racist backlash.</p>
<p>coqui - if most of the minorities had stats lower then the whites/asians shouldn't most of their applications be rejected? The whole race quotas that most schools have is really not fair. Race should not be a factor. I think the whole I'm poor and I'm using it as an excuse should not factor as well. Lots of poor white/asian people came here and are very successful and didn't have to whine about their financial background. Their are tons of Russians and Chinese here now-a-days who grew up really poor.</p>
<p>ok, i have to add this now:</p>
<p>whites (or, not URMs/white-skinned I should say since I'll include asians) with difficult pasts:
jews - holocaust.
japanese - ww2 internment camps.
chinese - chinese exclusion act.
irish, italians, pretty much ANY immigrant group in 19th century america - faced extreme hate and racism, were on the same social level as blacks during Civil War.</p>
<p>but really, because of all this I wish people would stop basing things ON THE PAST... this is now, and if they want to celebrate culture fine, that's good I think... but I hate this concept that someone's race defines how difficult their own life has been.</p>
<p>I don't think minorities or any other groups cling to their past to look for handouts. We don't have to look very far in the past to see the current and blatant mistreatment. i.e. police brutality, sterilization of black woman in North Carolina, Mississipi Massala, voting in florida, and a myriad of other atrocities. I think most people only look at slavery like that is the only bad thing whites ever did to black but a well educated and well rounded person will be able to see that post slavery and up to today black people are still put at a disadvantage and are not just trying to use their past as a reason for handouts.</p>
<p>Hazmat: Your afraid to speak your mind because you don't want any comments to show up later in life. So basically you don 't want people to know who you really are and how you really feel because your so worried about your prosperous future. How vain!</p>
<p>tpeck,
yeah i understand that, like the whole "gangs of new york" thing. but what about whites before that. even during that period in the 1900's, it seems descendants of the white cultures that came in (irish, scottish, german) lost touch with their culture completely. a lot of my friends with german or irish names just say "yeah my grandfather was german or something and came to the US or something" and they don't seem to care about it much, even when we saw the "gangs of new york" movie in us history. they seemed to not care or identify with it at all. however, when we watched "glory" or a WWII documentary, most of the black people and jewish people at least cared about what their ancestors went through, but they certainly didn't say anything to the effect of white's being evil nor did they feel sorry for themselves. but they recognized what was sacrificed for them to be there and were proud of where they came from.</p>
<p>eadams83,
maybe he was joking? hope so.
anyway, this thread has swerved off topic thanks to mauh an others...</p>
<p>Members of all different races are racist to other members of all different races.</p>
<p>"Well educated and well rounded" people know that blacks aren't the only ones who face racism today.</p>
<p>Still, Gangs of New York is very Hollywood-ized.
The exploitation of violence overshadows real immigrant struggles.
Though it does show the Catholic-pride of the Irish, but thats not a focus...</p>
<p>And what about The Godfather? Certainly, those Italians arent connected with white america...</p>
<p>sorry i just did a huge critical film paper on it...</p>
<p>good grief this is off-topic.</p>
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<p>You can call me a racist all you want, I am proud to be white. Watching out for your people and taking pride in your race does not make you a racist. Racism is about hate, as long as you don't hate other races, you are NOT a racist. Despite what the liberal racist media says about racism.</p>