<p>Usually the people opposed to AA are the people who will not benefit. If YOU were an URM you would like AA because it gives you a fair chance...not just in college but in the workplace where qualifications are not always the most important thing. so think farther ahead than the next four years. And think about your neighbors who will benefit extrememly from AA..not by abusing it but because they deserve it and are equally qualified.
Also if you you are against AA because you think it will benefit you if it is outlawed...you should think again unless you are Asian. Tests and studies have shown that the ONLY group being held down by AA is Asians. And should our government choose to do away with it only the Asians will benefit in terms of college admissions.
Also I am a minority and would like to point out that not just minorities play the race card. There are many instances where non-minorities with lesser qualifications are hired over a minority because he boss likes the way one person looks over the other.
In the real world...AA benefits everyone exept the people interested in a student body full of clones.</p>
<p>May I point out to you that you claim that AA is good because it benefits people of your own background, yet you disregard the unfairness and discrimination of "ONLY [...] Asians".
I am not Asian but I take a great offense in what you said, because that proves that you support not a law that benefits all of the American society, but a law that benefits you and your community alone.
By pointing out a discriminated group, you proved that the system is racist. This means that AA makes an URM out of the Asian community and holds hundreds of thousands of talented Asian men and women from the educational institutions and jobs that they well deserve (I am not implying that any race is dominant over any other- we are all equal in our intellectual abilities). You also imply that one should not protest the AA unless they are Asian... The world we live in is not a polarized one where people of one color of skin have to fight for themselves- we live in a world where all fight for justice to seal the differences. I personally would fight AA even if it discriminates "ONLY Asians" because I stand for morality and justice- justice that is not served through a primitive "eye for an eye" system but through social advancement.</p>
<p>Saying that there are "many instances" of racist hiring is not a reason for turning the tables around and discriminating anyone with the skincolor of the oppressor.</p>
<p>just to say that wow_98 struck me as a far more civil person than he is being given credit for. He's misguided at most but even in the face of such harsh criticism he's really not been offensive otherwise.</p>
<p>well, there isn't time to get emotional about it. the US should only follow one culture, and not be worried if it OFFENDS anyone but its stock. just get over it...</p>
<p>however, people are emotional creatures - which is a good thing for control. ;)</p>
<p>ok, after all things aside, I would doubt the OP will get rejected. AA will help, you better believe it.</p>
<p>I wouldn't worry. his stats are low, but fine.</p>
<p>"from statistics, wealthy blacks still score lower than poor whites. I know, I know, they should score high because of their wealth. But, what if there are barriers that cause their scores to turn out low? Poor school environment, limited number of minorities participating in tough course load, learning/physical disabilities, no time to study, family problems, low self-esteem etc."</p>
<p>If a person has low self esteem or if a person scores low because of a limited # of minorities taking tough courses, it doesn't sound to me like the person is a candidate for an Ivy.</p>
<p>At the Ivies, no one is going to hold your hand and pat you on the back to make sure that you do well.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, there are plenty of nonURMs who have low scores due to the problems that you list, and they don't get into Ivies either. Why should an exception be made for black students?</p>
<p>There are, incidentally, plenty of black students with scores and grades far higher than yours and with stronger ECs who get rejected by Ivies. Why should you be accepted?</p>
<p>Other than being black, what do you think is so special about your application that would cause the Ivies to accept you over an abundance of candidates of all races who are much stronger?</p>
<p>In addition, you come from highly educated and high income parents and have had opportunities many higher achieving applicants of all races have not had. For instance, you can afford to take an SAT prep course and can afford other tutoring. Perhaps, too, your university research opportunity was due to family connections.</p>
<p>Why do you think that you should be accepted?</p>
<p>BTW, I'm black and an Ivy grad.</p>
<p>I heard that among the Hispanic applicant pool, Puerto Ricans are given extra consideration. This was in the book "A is for Admission" by a former adcom for some Ivy League school. Do you all think this is true? If so, why would this be? I know that Puerto Ricans comprise less of the accepted pool than Mexican Americans but does that make Puerto Ricans all the more desireable? Any ideas?</p>
<p>The same is true of Mexican Americans. This is because the majority of Hispanics in this country are Puerto Rican or Mexican American, but those have the lowest SAT scores of any Hispanics and have the lowest proportion of Hispanics who are college bound.</p>
<p>True, but Mexican americans are given an extra push in Ivy league admissions but the book said that Puerto Ricans specifically are given even more special consideration. IS this true?</p>
<p>To sum it up, the question really is wheter a black/hispanic family with an income of $100K+ is still an URM.</p>
<p>yeah, they are still URMs. Colleges don't care how superficial their diversity is, as long as the students 'look' different.</p>
<p>To the OP: You've got no chance. My stats were much better than yours, and my parents probably even made less money. I didn't get in, and I applied ED. No offense or anything, but you should probably look elsewhere; there are many great schools out there (maybe not AS great as princeton) that aren't uber-selective, where you'd stand a decent shot.</p>
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These admissions counselors are friggin psychic!!! They will see through your game and you will never see that big envelope with the Pton seal. U don't strike me as Princetonian......
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<p>LOL! comedy gold</p>
<p>The fact that you are one of few black students at your school to take AP classes shouldn't be a factor. Good luck...</p>
<p>Also Polish - although it might not seem fair - income level has nothing to do with URM status, it is pure genetics. Of course a black person with a 200k+ combined family income is going to have to have better stats to be equal to a black person with a family in a lower tax bracket in the admissions game. It would be nice if AA was adjusted to be socioeconomic....imo the current system was needed in 1969 not now.</p>