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<p>Again, one has to realize that some protesters were respectful. The general public usually doesn’t like to believe people like that have major leadership positions.</p>

<p>Google “Just World Hypothesis.”
That concept in Psychology applies to so much, it’s crazy. Perhaps you could watch the YouTube video later though.</p>

<p>I don’t have a problem with that part of his beliefs; I have a problem with the assimilation aspect. </p>

<p>I think a lot of people are making the mistake of generalizing the whole student body, when only a handful of students were irrational. He would have been allowed to speak, had he stayed after the police cleared out the rowdy portion of the protesters.</p>

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<p>I realize that the majority of the protestors were most probably not at fault. Goes along with the old saying of “a few bad apples”… To a one, every student I know at Carolina has told me that they did not agree with the actions of the rowdy protestors–and these responses were from all points on the conservative/liberal scale. I just hope that the University does hold those who were at fault responsible for their actions and appropriate consequences are delivered.</p>

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<p>Cuse, you can watch the YouTube video that YWC posted and hear the police say: “The speaker left on his own accord.”</p>

<p>He was evacuated temporarily. Would you like the link?</p>

<p>I agree that he has that right in the general public, but I have an issue with his having a major venue. I don’t support all people on the left, either. You’re the one making those assumptions. And if you’re somehow implying that I’ve insulted my own intelligence, maybe you should think about the irrational nature of some of your comments.</p>

<p>Many people on the far left have not been allowed to speak. (i.e. McCarthy Era)</p>

<p>He has an open issue with diversity and multiculturalism, so I’d venture to say that he is a tad racist. He also “pioneered the opposition to bilingual education.” He wants to establish English as the official language. And he feels that only “spouses and children of American citizens should be allowed to immigrate to the U.S.”</p>

<p>Here’s another nice quote: “Illegal immigrants are coming here to kill you, and you, and me, and my grandchildren.”</p>

<p>“In a May 3, 2007 debate among the ten candidates for the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination, Tancredo was one of three who raised their hands when asked if anyone did not believe in the theory of evolution.” -Just for fun</p>

<p>Tancredo called for the deportation of the family of Jesus Apodaca, an undocumented high school boy who was profiled in The Denver Post for his perfect grades and who publicly complained about having to pay the out-of-state tuition rate at the University of Colorado at Denver because he and his family were not legal residents in the United States.</p>

<p>Tancredo criticized the Denver Public Library system for purchasing reading materials written in Spanish and for offering space for classes to be held for these library users.</p>

<p>Tancredo referred to the city of Miami, Florida as a “Third World country.”</p>

<p>Tancredo was financed by anti-immigration activist John Tanton, founder of Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). FAIR was criticised for supporting sterilizations and RU-486 for third world women the one-child policy. FAIR received 1.5 million from a white supremacist group, Pioneer Fund.</p>

<p>Best of all:</p>

<p>According to reports, the room in which Tancredo spoke had a prominent picture of Robert E. Lee and was draped with Confederate battle flags. At the closing of the event, men dressed in Confederate military uniforms reportedly began to sing “Dixie”.</p>

<p>WOW. This guy is AWESOME! And obviously racist, as I stated before. If that’s not proof, I really don’t know what proof you could possibly want. I can provide links, if you desire them.</p>

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<p>He didn’t have a “major venue”; he had a small classroom. And even if he did have one, it would make no difference. He has been speaking in Congress in Washington for years now-he (and anyone else, for that matter) should be allowed to speak at UNC. Unfortunately, some people (like yourself) have double standards. </p>

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<p>Yes, he left on his own accord after his speech was disrupted and his safety was threatened. He was escorted out by police, who declared the event to be over. Clearly his rights were infringed on.</p>

<p>I’ll ask you again-Do you believe that Mr. Tancredo had the right to speak on Tuesday night?</p>

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<p>He had the right to speak, but the protesters had every right to be there, too. I believe you said they didn’t in your original post.</p>

<p>I don’t have double standards, so please don’t make assumptions about my beliefs when you don’t know me.</p>

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<p>I also consider any room at a major college to be a venue. The size of the room doesn’t matter–if he can influence someone, it’s major.</p>

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<p>“If we look at most college campuses, UNC especially, diversity is celebrated,” he said. “You’re told from the second you get here for orientation that diversity is a strength. And we believe that that makes absolutely no sense.” </p>

<p>I also thought that this quote was interesting. It was made by the President of YWC.</p>

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<p>The protesters had a right to be there. The hoodlums did not. Will you agree with me on this as well?</p>

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<p>Who cares? He has the right to say what he likes. I come from a military family, and have been present several times at funerals in which Westborough Baptist Church was protesting-signs that read “God hates soldiers” and “He deserved to die” and the like. Did I disagree with them? Of course. Did I doubt their right to say these things? Not at all.</p>

<p>I believe it was Patrick Henry who stated, “I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death to preserve your right to say it.”</p>

<p>Unfortunately, it appears that many UNC students never got that lesson in their history courses.</p>

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<p>Cuse, that was Voltaire. Patrick Henry said: “Give me Liberty or give me death.”</p>

<p>Ironic that you said many UNC students do not know their history, yet you made history mistake. Just sayin’</p>

<p>I’ve said that the overzealous had no right to become violent, but they did have a right to be there.</p>

<p>We’ll let others judge their own interest. I thought it was interesting. It is also strange that a Baptist Church would say that…seems controversial and unfortunate as well.</p>

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<p>Whatever, no matter who said it, the same principle still applies.</p>

<p>And attributing Westborough to a mainstream Baptist Church would be like attributing Osama Bin Laden to a typical Islamic mosque-it just doesn’t add up. </p>

<p>I’ll ask you once again-Did Tancredo have the right to speak freely on Tuesday night? And by freely, I mean no banners in his face, and no one shouting him down.</p>

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<p>I don’t really care that people shouted outside, but they should not have shouted in his face, if that’s what you mean. I actually thought the banner thing was slightly humorous, but I will admit that the banner placement was better before.</p>

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<p>Also, that’s a different question than you asked before.</p>

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<p>The people outside (except for the ones breaking windows) were within their rights. The banner was incredibly disrespectful-having it in the room is acceptable, but shoving it in the guest speaker’s face was intolerable. The shouting and threats inside were equally awful. I’m glad that we see eye-to-eye on this, finally.</p>

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<p>Intolerable but kind of hilarious</p>

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<p>Well, each person is entitled to their own sense of humor. I didn’t find it funny in the least, however.</p>

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<p>Anyways, returning to the main issue at hand-I believe that UNC’s Student Congress should eliminate SDS’s funding for next year, as they have proven to many people that they are indeed a violent hate group and that they bring nothing to this campus. UNC should use the money that would have gone to SDS to bring Mr. Tancredo back to finish his speech, and should employ enough law enforcement personnel to ensure that anyone who attempts to imitate the events of last Tuesday will be arrested and dealt with before things can get out of hand again.</p>

<p>An alumni said it best in a comment left on the DTH’s website-</p>

<p>"Intolerance is intolerance, regardless of the topic or the speaker. Unless, of course we simply describe the target as hate speech without even listening, and then use mob tactics to suppress the speaker. Obviously, there’s no need for discourse on topics deemed too heinous for open discussion. Thankfully, we’ve all been saved from having to think for ourselves by these gallant protesters. But wait, wasn’t that one of the principal reasons for higher education–independent thought?
Ernst Rohm would have been proud. And I am ashamed of my alma mater.</p>

<p>Class of 2004
MBA Class of 2006"</p>

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<p>That’s a little extreme…</p>

<p>Especially to be ashamed of UNC. The school didn’t do it; a handful of protesters did. I think what happened should be forgotten about, honestly. Some students made mistakes, I believe they were punished, and Mr. Tancredo left. Dragging it on and on will not make Mr. Tancredo finish his speech. If he feels he should come back, I’m sure he will. </p>

<p>I don’t think SDS is a “violent hate group” by any means, and I don’t think their funding should be eliminated. Perhaps they could pay for Mr. Tancredo to return as a punishment (if that) or pay for the broken window, but anything else would be too extreme.</p>

<p>I think people are really blowing it out of proportion at this point. There have been protests at UNC before, and there will be protests at UNC in the future. If parents of future college students are seriously claiming that they’ll never allow their child to attend UNC because of this protest, then that’s really sad and pretty ridiculous. I feel sorry for their children, because they’re missing out on a great and valuable education, just for a couple of students getting rowdy.</p>

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<p>I can agree with that, although I don’t believe that any students have been punished yet (or, at least, it hasn’t been made public by the university). Once punishments are handed out, I think many people will be content to drop the issue. </p>

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<p>I’m not against SDS because of their ideology; I’m against them because they embarrassed our university and allowed us to become an example of ignorance and intolerance for the whole nation. They shouldn’t lose funding because of their beliefs; they should lose funding because they selfishly gave our whole university a black eye.</p>

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<p>As I have said before, the protests aren’t the issue. It is the desecration of freedom of speech that people are concerned with, particularly after students fought so hard to maintain this freedom during the “speaker-ban” crisis of the 1960s.</p>

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<p>Well, I’m sure they will be punished. </p>

<p>And I’m sure not everyone in SDS supported the violent protestors…it’s not like there’s just one person in the club that supported everything bad about the fiasco. I also don’t think the whole nation is looking down on UNC or thinking the school shows ignorance or intolerance. One mistake by a small amount of students shouldn’t and probably doesn’t leave a “black eye” on the university. If others are swayed so easily, then that’s a shame.</p>

<p>I think it would take a lot for people to believe that UNC is an example of ignorance or intolerance. UNC has been known for it’s tolerance, diversity, and acceptance of all students, especially as a Southern school. If UNC wasn’t an example of tolerance, then I highly doubt you would see so many varying political and ideological groups on campus.</p>

<p>If someone thinks that a few students should be allowed to mark the school as “ignorant”, then they are the victim of ignorance.</p>

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<p>I’m not so sure about that…if they didn’t support the violent actions, why were they the only group not to apologize for them? SDS’s actions in regard to the event were to file a bogus claim of police brutality and congratulate the hoodlums for disrupting the event. </p>

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<p>The story hit mainstream newsfeeds across the country, and from there spread to secondary blogs and the like. Nearly everyone commenting on the event has expressed dismay and even outrage that such a thing was able to happen here-and who can blame them. </p>

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<p>I agree that the university isn’t an example of intolerance-just some radicalized, hardcore and idiotic students that give the university a bad name as a whole. Most people here recognize that the protesters who resorted to violence and censorship were in the wrong. If you detach yourself from the situation, though, and just read the headlines about it, it is easy to see how people who have no ties to the university can draw broad conclusions from the event. When describing the event, the headlines that most people saw read “Protesters Shut Down Tancredo Speech” or something of the like, not “Young Democrats Tried to Stop Protesters”.</p>