<p>UCI is not Better Than UCD</p>
<p>My Argument: the US News findings does not carry enough weight to prove UC Irvine is Better Than UC Davis. </p>
<p>Proof: 2006 Top University Rankings
<a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0609.national.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0609.national.html</a>
Proof: 2006 World Rankings
<a href="http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2006/ARWU2006_Top100.htm%5B/url%5D">http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2006/ARWU2006_Top100.htm</a></p>
<p>US News is the only list in the world that says uci is better. every other ranking says otherwise. </p>
<pre><code> One may argue that US News is the best and most reliable source and what US News says must be true. My rebuttal is that as "unreliable" as these other sources are claimed to be, they all say the same thing. isn't it odd that one would point out and say "any one who disagrees with me is a liar"? Thats the same for saying that every other source is unreliable. Just because they do not agree with your beliefs does not make it unreliable.
One can also argue that US News has done better research on ranking schools. But can anyone prove the research done is better than the research done by the highly regarded Washington Monthly or Shanghai Jiao Tong University, a top research university in China? I would also like to point out that US News is a Publishing company and not a research university. How well can a broad casting news company be commited to the truth? We often see the news on TV that distorts the facts. AND although I'm not claiming US NEWS does this but one would think university research is a more reliable source.
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<p>However, One thing is certain: Each ranking is done differently. SO if one school ALWAYS comes out higher than another school when ranked in MANY different ways and different criteria. The findings are likely to be more reliable THAN one ranking based on only one criteria. </p>
<p>if you do not agree, please send me a good resonable rebuttal to everything i said. your feelings and unsupported perspective does not matter. only rational reasoning with evidence can prove me wrong. Anything thats starts with words such as " I Think" or " I Believe " are invalid and please do not state any facts unless u can prove it. These include " UCI is better academically because US News said so" BUT the point is if can you actually prove what US NEWs says still holds truth when so many other rankings sare against it? </p>
<p>and although i can't say for sure that UCD is better than UCI. there is no solid proof that UCI is better. US News is not solid proof because EVERY OTHER RANKING in the WHOLE WIDE WORLD AGREES THAT UCD > UCI . just because its popular doesnt make it right. i rest my case. </p>
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<p>other rankings that show UCD> UCI
1)<a href="http://www.consusgroup.com/news/rankings/colleges/colleges.asp%5B/url%5D">http://www.consusgroup.com/news/rankings/colleges/colleges.asp</a>
2) <a href="http://www.examsguide.com/GREGMAT/topuniv.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.examsguide.com/GREGMAT/topuniv.html</a>
3)<a href="http://challenge.visualessence.nl/C514241107/E878005592/index.html%5B/url%5D">http://challenge.visualessence.nl/C514241107/E878005592/index.html</a>
** i found that sites that put UCI > UCD specifically stated they got there sources from US NEWS.</p>
<p>I think they're probably pretty comparable. A friend from Cali regards UCD to be the best UC ever. Why? She hates SoCal, one, and says Irvine is a boring commuter school. And then there will be others that disagree.</p>
<p>As far as the other lists...you've got to wonder when Penn State and Texas A&M are ranked above Stanford and Cornell. And South Carolina State above Yale.</p>
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<p>And on another list, UVa, Hopkins, & Tufts below UCD? Er...</p>
<p>People consider US News the best because it judges based on pretty much purely academic factors, whereas the other ones throw in stuff like finaid. </p>
<p>But I think rankings are bull anyway.</p>
<p>Rankings are debatable to begin with. And why does it matter? Is someone from Davis bragging about how much their rank is actually higher than the rank at Irvine? They are ranked closely enough to almost be ranked as equal.</p>
<p>No Someone From UC Irvine is bragging there school is better because its listed above UC Davis on the US News. Im Just here to prove that to be false.</p>
<p>neoa1212 can u read the part where i wrote that personal feelings are invalid. im here to argue/discuss that us news rankings does not hold weight when ranking UCI above UCD. Im not here to discuss if it matters or not. So my point is that US News is not the solid proof that UCi is better than UCD just because it ranked UCI higher. I've shown that other cources have ranked them differently and US NEWS is not the holy grail for college rankings.</p>
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<p>MissSuperFantastic. very true. they are pretty comparable. And yes the other rankings had my at awe. However, my point to list other rankings were not to show how odd they were but to show that every other ranking is against US NEWS when ranking UCI above UCD.</p>
<p>"People consider US News the best because it judges based on pretty much purely academic factors, whereas the other ones throw in stuff like finaid. "</p>
<p>Actually, people consider US News the best because it is highly popular and esily accesible whreas other rankings are harder to find. it took me 2 hours to find the last links on my 1st post. US News also leaves there lists online for free where as princeton review and many others charge you money and want you to buy their book before you can even see the ranking list let alone specific information about the colleges.</p>
<p>Lol, THES and the world ranking are GRADUATE rankings that don't take CRITICAL undergrad factors into account (hence UCSF with no undergrad school is top 15). So one is an INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY RANKING, while the USNEWS is a DOMESTIC UNDERGRAD ranking. </p>
<p>That is the rebuttal.</p>
<p>im proving that the US News findings does not carry enough weight to prove UC Irvine is Better Than UC Davis. your rebuttal is incomplete. although u stated that 3 out of my 5 sources may be invalid. you have not proven the other 2 to be invalid nor that US News is accurate in saying that UCI is better than UCD.</p>
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Proof: 2006 Top University Rankings
<a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea....national.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea....national.html</a>
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<p>So if this is really proof, then you would also believe that UC Riverside is better than Harvard right? You should post that in the Harvard forums and see how many you can get to agree with you.</p>
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Proof: 2006 World Rankings
<a href="http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2006/ARWU2006_Top100.htm%5B/url%5D%5B/quote%5D">http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2006/ARWU2006_Top100.htm
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<p>So if you think THIS ranking is proof, then you must also think Arizona State University is better than Dartmouth right? Again, I invite you to go to the Dartmouth boards and see if they agree.</p>
<p>The thing is, U.S. News isn't perfect, but it's probably the most accurate measure of undergraduate institutions we have. So yes, maybe UCD is a little better than UCI. It's so close that it doesn't matter much.</p>
<p>Looks like you want all 5 sources discredited:</p>
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other rankings that show UCD> UCI
1)<a href="http://www.consusgroup.com/news/rank...s/colleges.asp%5B/url%5D%5B/quote%5D">http://www.consusgroup.com/news/rank...s/colleges.asp
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<p>That's nice, except this one shows that UCSC > UCD which is even more ridiculous in my opinion.</p>
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<a href="http://www.examsguide.com/GREGMAT/topuniv.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.examsguide.com/GREGMAT/topuniv.html</a>
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This one is similar to the 2nd one: Ohio State Univ - Columbus USA is better than Dartmouth...hmm.</p>
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<a href="http://challenge.visualessence.nl/C5...592/index.html%5B/url%5D%5B/quote%5D">http://challenge.visualessence.nl/C5...592/index.html
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<p>Right for this one to hold validity you would also have to believe that UCSB > UCD. So you can say UCD > UCI but also be prepared to admit that UCSB > UCD.</p>
<p>Anyway, the reason for some of these wacky rankings is preciously what slipper1234 said. As flaws as U.S. News is, it's probably the best we have right now. So, you're right, maybe UCD should be ranked higher. But I don't see those other websites as "proof."</p>
<p>You cannot discredit an source based on your opinion that the ranking order are ridiculous. But since yout took the time to look through each of my sources, i will repeat what i said to missfantastic on my third post:</p>
<p>"And yes the other rankings had me at awe. However, my point to list other rankings were not to show how odd they were but to show that every other ranking is against US NEWS when ranking UCI above UCD."</p>
<p>notice how i already achknowledged the fact that the sources were odd. but i must point how that however odd they may be, they all agree that UCD> UCI. AND since no other source agrees with US NEWs, one may find this questionable. </p>
<p>US News is a good source. its popular. everyone reads it. its online for free. but even it too can make mistakes as there have been many reports critcal of its rankings. and since UCI and UCD are so closely even on that list AND the fact that every other source (how odd they may be) are against the part where UCI>UCD, one cannot say that UCI is better that UCD. </p>
<p>Would every one please look at my argument: the US News findings does not carry enough weight to prove UC Irvine is Better Than UC Davis.</p>
<p>NOTICE how my argument is not to prove that UCD is better. look to my 1st post.</p>
<p>"and although i can't say for sure that UCD is better than UCI. there is no solid proof that UCI is better. US News is not solid proof because EVERY OTHER RANKING in the WHOLE WIDE WORLD AGREES THAT UCD > UCI . just because its popular doesnt make it right. i rest my case. "</p>
<p>remember. its not fully about the oddness of the sources but the number them of them puts US News in question because the fact that they agree on the same thing. UCD>UCI. wouldnt u think that there be atleast one source besides US News that would put UCI ahead.</p>