<p>mistappia,</p>
<p>Actually, HPME is harder. You got in there and so you are giving yourself less credit than you deserve. ;) You forgot to take the quality of the applicant pool into account. PLME's average stats are 1430 on SAT I and top 2% (from PLME's website) whereas HPME's average stats are 1535 and top 1%. (<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=2378&page=2%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=2378&page=2</a>)
The difference stems from the fact that HPME also requires 3 SAT IIs and they have to be writing, math IIC and chemistry (the average total score is 2300). The strict requirements limit somewhat the number of applicants (hence a bit higher acceptance rate) but also act as a prescreening tool.</p>
<p>I am a physician that graduated from UMDNJ - RWJMS in 1995.</p>
<p>I would save your money and go to the cheapest school that you can. Medical education is pretty much the same everywhere you go. Going to a top medical school like Harvard, JHU, or Stanford will open doors for your residency interviews.</p>
<p>But everything else in between won't matter much. Your patients will never care where you went to med school. It doesn't even matter much in terms of how much money you make. An extra $70,000 will take an extra 10 years to pay off.</p>
<p>I'm reviving this old thread because I think what sgopal2 says is really important. In medicine it's always where you last did your education that really matters. For example, where you do your residency and maybe fellowship (after residency) is a lot more important than where you went to medical school. In fact, medical school is known as undergraduate medical education and your residency is actually graduate medical education (even though medical school is known as graduate school too - I know it gets confusing). But the prestige and name of your residency matters the most because thats where you really learn to practice for the specialty you're going into. I agree not to worry so much about the name of the school. Just the fact that it's a US MD school is good enough. All MD schools generally teach the same stuff, dont worry so much and save your money - you'll thank me when you're not one of those docs that are drowning in debt.<br>
This same thing doesn't hold true for law and business though. Anyone going into these fields knows that you better get into a top 10 school if you want to make the big bucks and get the right connections. Medicine is really different in this regard.</p>
<p>Here's a list of residency matches from UMDNJ's NJMS program. There are substantial number of ROADs residencies and some at well known Mass hospitals too. This list was kindly posted by an NJMS student, Hydrogen3k.</p>
<p>med.h3k</a> - NJMS Match 2007 </p>
<p>I think a more logical way of organizing the list would've been by specialty. </p>
<p>Getting into residency, like getting into med school, is largely an individual effort so I don't take much stock in match lists. However, it's always interesting to see if there are any standouts. For example, Columbia P&S is a known factory for surgeons, particularly neurosurgeons. Last year, they matched 7 into neurosurgery and my interviewer (a neurosurgeon) said in some years they've matched as many as 12 into neurosurgery.</p>
<p>Here's the UMDNJ match list by specialty. I have lumped together all surgeries (orthpedic, Neuro, and general).</p>
<p>Emergency- 11
Transitional - 7
Radiology - 10
Radiation Oncology - 3
Anaesthesiology -18
Surgery - 28
Pediatric - 23
Family practice/Primary Medicine -41
Psychiatry - 15
Pathology - 8
Internal medicine - 28
Physical medicine and rehab- 6
Ob/Gyn - 4
Neurology - 2
Otolaryngology - 2
Urol -1
Derm 1</p>
<p>What is transitional medicine, by the way?</p>
<p>Here are NYU's 2007 1st year residency matching numbers for comparison - </p>
<p>Emergency medicine -10
Surgery - 26
Pediatric - 16
Family Medicine/Preliminary Medicine - 38
Internal Medicine - 35
Ob/Gyn - 6
Psychiatry - 10
Transitional - 5
Otolaryngology - 5
Anaesthesiology - 1
Neurology 2</p>
<p>Here are residency match placements for Northwestern for 2007</p>
<p>Anaesthesiology - 4
Derm -2
Radiology -7
Emergency - 9
Family Medicine -6
Internal Medicine - 15
Pediatric -12
Radiation Oncology - 2
Ophthalmology -4
Ob/Gyn -15
Neurology -4
Pathology -1
Surgery -16
Urology -6
Psychiatr - 8</p>
<p>Penn's match list (Penn has around 150 students compared with 200 at UMDNJ):</p>
<p>Anethesiology-9
Dermatology-8
Emergency Med-5
Neurology-4
Neurosurgery-3
Ophthalmology-6
Ortho-5
Plastic Surgery-5
Radiation Oncology-4
Radiology-13</p>
<p>Columbia's Match List (also around 150 students):
Anthesthesiology-14
Dermatology-4
Emergency Med-5
Neurology-3
Neurosurgery-7
Ophthalmology-4
Ortho-10
Plastic Surgery-2
Radiation Oncology-2
Radiology-10</p>
<p>I didn't include all specialities and fields, just the ones regarded as more competitive/desirable.</p>
<p>Just FYI. The total number of studets at UMDNJ is 129 not 200.</p>
<p>What is transitional? Does it mean they can change to another specialty in year 2?</p>
<p>Well then the numbers you posted for UMDNJ don't add up.</p>
<p>Certain specialties begin in the PGY-2 year. So, one alternative would be to do a transitional year for your PGY-1 year and get a broad clinical training. Then, you will have PGY-1 credit and you will be able to enter into advanced specialties. Not sure, if you'll have to do the match again. And I don't know the difference between a prelim and a transitional year. I'm sure some of the current med students or doctors can probably explain better than me.</p>
<p>Oops! yes. the above total does amount to 200........But I was under the impression that they take on 130ish students/year. Does it mean they have multiple acceptances to residency?</p>
<p>I think we should calculate % by specialty/ each school to be able to compare.</p>
<p>Here are the numbers for BU Med 2007</p>
<p>These were given by each student's name. No duplications at all. So, I guess there is only one acceptance/residency. In which case, the UMDNJ numbers should not reflect multiple acceptances either. I think this is quite unlike acceptances to med schools, isn't it?</p>
<p>BU -</p>
<p>Peds -17
Surgery- 14
Radiology -
internal medicine - 31
family practice - 9
psychiatry - 8
emergency - 3
dermatology - 4
ob/gyn - 3
anaesthesiology - 3
ENT- 2
radiation oncology -1
neurology-1
transitional - 2</p>
<p>Sorry. Radiology for BU should be 3.</p>
<p>sorry to rain on your parade, but whats the point of seeing what percent match into each specialty from each school. as long as you see the school sends people into that specialty that should be enough. its up to your hard work in medical school that will really determine where you go. these stats arent amazinlgy importnat. go to any US medical school and you will be a fine doctor.</p>
<p>We were thinking about comparing % accepted from each Med school for specific residencies, thereby evaluate if more students are accepted from any particular school (big name schools) as opposed to in-State.</p>
<p>yea i understand but its kinda a waste of time because it doesnt take into account how many ppl actually want to go into that specialty
like if BU sends 5 ppl to radiology
and jefferson sends 10</p>
<p>what if it was just that more people at Jefferson wanted to go into radiology</p>
<p>its hard to read match lists because of that</p>
<p>transitional year is kind of like a less stressful alternative to doing a prelim year (which is where you train for a year in your residency only in internal med or a surgery specialty) as your internship year. IN a transitional year you rotate thorugh everything again, kind of like the rotations you do in med school.</p>
<p>so why are you guys are trying to determine the quality of a medical school's match list when you don't even know what to look for and how to judge it...seriously.</p>