<p>mistaippa: while skimming the list, i didn't notice those omissions!</p>
<p>I do not agree with that list.</p>
<p>HPME and PLME are far more well-known programs and I'm pretty sure draw the most applicants. I think HPME is the most difficult to get into on that list.</p>
<p>wustl is missing from the list and is the most difficult to get in.</p>
<p>for hpme, u can up your chances for getting to the interview by taking ap physics, ap chem , ap bio, and having at least a 1450-1500 on SAT... then you write one essay on why u wanna be a doc, and hopefully u can get to the interview which should be the easiest part in my opinion.. also they accept 60 for hpme which is better than programs like case western that takes only like 15</p>
<p>PLME is definitely harder than hpme in my opinion because there's no interview and there's just one step in the whole process - your undergrad application</p>
<p>PLME is biased: minorities (not asians) + Rhode Islanders...</p>
<p>on that note:</p>
<p>I was actually rejected for an interview from HPME, but accepted to PLME. I don't think there's really any concrete line between the selectivity levels of the two programs...btw, I'm an asian female and not from RI.</p>
<p>edit: I should add that my app to HPME was a bit flawed: missing a pretty crucial essay that I sent in my undergrad app (thinking the two would be added together), as well as two really important recommendations that I think helped for PLME. Still, I had the mid-1500's score, research, volunteering, all that other stuff that supposedly should get an interview...idk. </p>
<p>In terms of hard numbers for the programs, this year PLME accepted 82 kids out of a pool of 1536. I don't know what the numbers are exactly for HPME.</p>
<p>Also, I don't think PLME is biased against asians. I saw plenty of indians, chinese, koreans at the PLME reception during the visitation day. It just so happens that asians make up by far the largest chunk of the applicant pool, so they're going to be rejected on a higher basis than whites and other minorities.</p>
<p>PLME doesn't have that heavy of requirements though and I thought was much easier to apply to. No interview either.</p>
<p>82 / 1536 = 5.3 % , with no interview, just a one step process.. at "Northwestern HPME - 1000 sent in interview cards - 800ish received applications - 509 applied - 135 interviewed - 44 matriculated" - <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=31699%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=31699</a></p>
<p>they accept about 60, so 60/800 = 7.5%</p>
<p>so basedo nt hat, PLME is a bit more selective and harder to get into, but ya, i guesst here's no real concrete line.. just subjective opinion (i still think PLME is tougher to get into, i think if your app was as good as it could be asterstar, you would have gotten in)</p>
<p>when they are looking just at essays and can't even speak to the applicant, i think it's a bit harder to truly get a sense of what the applicant's about.. to me, tthe interview is an important part to express yourself in person and the interviewer/college committee can truly see if what you say on paper is true in person... i like the interview process, b/c i guess i'm a better talker than i am writer :P</p>
<p>takingiteasy:</p>
<p>taking 3 AP sciences isn't REQUIRED per se, but it definitely helps for HPME's program , and i think for any combined degree program in general, including Brown's... but ya i guess it prob helps for HPME more than PLME, so i guess in that sense, plme is ab it easier to apply to, but still just as hard if not harder to get into</p>
<p>that list i feel is correct or rather correct because its not about whats harder to get into but which programs are better
i think a lot of you are missing that - its not all about how hard the program is to get into</p>
<p>i guess that should make me feel a bit better since i had a choice b/t penn state and northwestern's hpme, and chose penn state for all the non-academic factors (cost, close to family, friends, social life at psu, the activities at psu, etc.)</p>
<p>i know northwestern undergrad is > psu for academics, but i feel that all the prog's in the psu program are close and many room together, whereas in hpme they are a bit more spread out..</p>
<p>my mom wanted me to go to NW, but just for the prestige and the name basically... my dad supported me going to psu and then coming to philly (20 mins away from my house) after 3 years at psu</p>
<p>iuno, those arej ust some of the things why i chose psu/jeff over hpme :), if i lived anywhere else, it would have been tougher and i may have chosen hpme instead</p>
<p>ivybound1010-can you elaborate on what you mean by "better"?
i did not read the book from which the list was obtained. "better" in terms of what? just curious...</p>
<p>mistaippa what were ur stats if u dont mind</p>
<p>ivy
<a href="http://www.************/2009/%5B/url%5D">http://www.************/2009/</a></p>
<p>look my name up</p>
<p>sorry that's "p r s t a t s .com/2009"</p>
<p>qtpie</p>
<p>the book evaluated the programs on factors like affordability, prestige of schools, flexbility of curriculum, and social like (there may be a few other factors but I forgot what they were)</p>
<p>either way, these factors were just the opinions of the writers</p>
<p>and when they did not receive feedback from a school, they omitted it from the list (that is why many schools are missing)</p>
<p>and that book is pretty old so it may contain some schools that no longer carry a ba/md program (like nyu) and it may also omit some schools that now carry a ba/md program</p>
<p>thanks, impactangel!</p>
<p>Here are some riddles.</p>
<p>What is the lowest ranked person who graduated from his medical school known as?</p>
<p>What additonal status is given to the person who graduated from Feinberg over UMDNJ</p>
<p>Answers</p>
<ul>
<li>A doctor</li>
</ul>
<p>-An M.D. DEEPLY in debt</p>
<p>hahahaha...that's great man.</p>
<p>mistaippa said that HPME as well as other BS/MD programs prefer that students take 3 AP sciences.. hmm... As of right now, i only have room in my schedule for AP bio... Will this hurt my chances of getting into any of these programs? What if i manage to self study and do well on the chem or physics sat ii? Whether or not I take 3 ap sciences, does that play a big role in admissions?</p>