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<p>Is there a guy named Drew listed? ;)</p>
<p>@coase @TV4caster thank you for the links.</p>
<p>Where in the links is the assault?
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<p>@Krillies wrote: “Where in the links is the assault?”</p>
<p>The assault was the hurling of slurs and insults; not assault and battery, just assault. Especially the guy yelling slurs and then asking “what are you going to do about it”. Just yelling slurs in and of itself is assault if a person has reason to fear an attack.</p>
<p>I wasn’t talking about something like a bottle being thrown but I promise you that if that had happened there is very little chance the person throwing the bottle would be identified or charged with a crime. I’ve seen it happen dozens of times at bars over the years and you rarely see who actually threw it, only that it came from a certain group and nobody in the group even identifies the actual thrower. </p>
<p>Once again on these threads, there seems an inordinate amount of concern about the potential for heterosexual college males to be taken advantage of by women. Women are liars, mentally unstable, vindictive. Women are dangerous. It is certainly an interesting way to look at the world.</p>
<p>@EarlvanDorn. anyone claiming false rape reports are “thought” to be as high as 41% is going to have to supply some actual cites. We’ve got all sorts of cites all over this board, and never has one credible source EVER claimed to believe false rape reports occur in any manner different than other false reports of other crimes.</p>
<p>Nobody, however, disputes that rape reports are a small fraction in terms of the number of actual rapes. We know this. No credible professional has ever stated any differently. Ever.</p>
<p>I’m not surprised to hear the accusations of lying. I have no way to know if “jackie” is real or if she is somebody else. I know that until we started getting video footage of these brutal attacks ALL accusers were seen as liars, and even now, they still are.</p>
<p>The fact that these protests were not allowed to simply proceed is kind of gross. But, the more one knows about this kind of aggression at UVA, the grosser and more neanderthal they seem. </p>
<p>ALH, I don’t see it that way. I approach the RS article the way I do whenever I read or watch news. I would like facts presented pertinent to the case and an investigation conducted before I carry a pitchfork and aim it at the seven deadly pigs.</p>
<p>If heterosexual fraternity men are incapable of rape (as they were in the 70s at tailgate U) then any accusation of rape against them is false. It isn’t believable. And gang rape doesn’t exist. There will be other explanations. </p>
<p>Eh. I’ve seen way too many rape survivors to think the justice system has anything at all to do with justice when it comes to women’s right to control who does or does not have violent or nonconsensual access to her body. Things are changing only because of these stories. the status quo, the refusal to actually investigate rape in this country, is a travesty.</p>
<p>Some brave young people are changing the culture. </p>
<p>Post #457 is telling.</p>
<p>A political website has outed the son of a political figure as having been a member of this fraternity. A smear campaign. Guilt by association. It’s why the journalism profession is held in low regard. It’s good to stay skeptical of everything read in the press.</p>
<p>The 41% came from the Kanin study. Like all studies it has been argued about and tossed around. Lisak is the other study that is most commonly cited. I believe Lisak was the one that derived the 8%. The Kanin study and Lisak study have numerous citations on the web. </p>
<p><a href=“False rape allegations - PubMed”>False rape allegations - PubMed;
<p><a href=“http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape”>http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape</a></p>
<p>Since I am a Gambler, I would bet quite a bit the 41 percent is bs. Because it is.</p>
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<p>Other estimates don’t come close to 41 percent. </p>
<p>Yes, I think 41% is too high and 8% is too low for ALL criminal sexual conduct cases. I would buy the 8% for rape cases only. </p>
<p>the kanin is from 1994, 20 years ago. It’s been discredited by very, very recent research. </p>
<p>To some extent, Lisak’s research, along with his cohort, did come up with 8%. but, considering this is almost the EXACT percentage of false reports with other crimes, occams razor suggests not only should we have simply known this, but that false accusations for crimes of all kinds occur at or around 8%. Rape is no different.</p>
<p>I just can’t figure out what it is that makes people think a girl who has been raped is somehow DIFFERENT than a man who has been mugged, or someone who was shot or strangled, or beat up, or robbed, or car jacked. It’s really so Adam and Eve and so sad.</p>
<p>Remember that link where 86 percent of cases brought to the police were thrown in the garbage , the 41 percent is part of the 86 percent. </p>
<p>That community needs help. Help to the police force so they understand victims.</p>
<p>Well, just cross your fingers and hope Jackie’s story proves to be accurate since it’s now being held up as a cherry picked example of “all,” and I use that term loosely, that is wrong with our colleges and universities thanks to RS. </p>
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<p>Cross my fingers and “hope” someone’s story of being brutally gang raped turns out to be TRUE? I wish it wasn’t true. i was there was no such thing as gang rape. But, gee! thanks. </p>
<p>Nah… There are plenty of rapes. Society doesn’t depend on the RS story to decrease the amount of rapes.</p>
<p>Also, if women want to shout at guys about this issue… Too bad for the guys. </p>
<p>Sometimes to enact change, things have to become very uncomfortable for those that don’t want change.</p>
<p>Yeah, not even remotely a good situation and I am dispassionate on an intellectual level but it is what it is now that she’s spoken publicly with the media. </p>