<p>Yeah. I really don’t care if they get rid of greek life, AT. ALL.</p>
<p>that is simply NOT the point I’m making.</p>
<p>The point I am making is that as long as there IS Greek life, let’s put policies in place which encourage cooperation with police and university investigations. It’s problably the quickest way to get these rapists in prison.</p>
<p>And, more than I want to eliminate Greek life, I REALLY want rapists put in prison.</p>
<p>I never went to a frat party when I was in college. Women on all campuses should simply boycott the kind of scene that leads to rape. No drinking parties, no wild scenes. There are innumerable other ways to have fun while in college.
Poetgirl: your advice for your daughter was great. Mine was similar but expanded. Never go to a boy’s room period, not just frat boy’s, unless you are in a serious, committed relationship. IOW, no hookups. That only leads to trouble and heartache. </p>
<p>The peer groups should make the ‘boycott frat parties’ the preferred social scene. College age women are not babies. They need to stand up for each other, band together and shun the frat parties. A big dose of maturity.</p>
<p>yes. Well, that was advice for my girls about even committed relationships with a fraternity boy. Keep the relationship out of the house. Period.</p>
<p>My girls don’t do the hook up culture. Probably because I hate the hook up culture, for some reason. I did tell them I thought it was a huge waste of time and energy. I mean, I don’t have any “judgement” about it. I just don’t like it. </p>
<p>Re posts #15 & 16: I beg to differ. I think the Duke lacrosse case is precisely the reason that rape investigations SHOULD be investigated. I was not arguing that campus rapes should not be investigated. </p>
<p>Another note: UVA is a public university, and as such, its police force is accorded full police powers from the Commonwealth of Virginia. UVA campus police are able to present charges in a felony case just as well as the Charlottesville police. However, a university disciplinary system is very different from our legal system. There is no due process and no legal representation for the accused. If the victim of a sexual assault wants to hold someone accountable for a rape, I would counsel them to go outside the university system.</p>
<p>A final note: The UVA case is specific because it is symptomatic of a mob mentality. But banning fraternities in general will not resolve a cultural problem that is pervasive in other universities as well as the US military.</p>
<p>I still think it’s on the horizon if fraternities don’t begin to support rape reports. It’s getting more and more difficult for universities to deal with the fall out of the Greek life. And if they lose too many greek systems, it’s less sustainable.</p>
<p>Also, the DOE fines and public relations hits this is giving these universities is significant. it used to be that women wouldn’t allow their names to be used, and now the girls can’t be shamed out of talking. Since it was ruled by the DOJ that a rape survivor cannot be told by a university that she can’t speak of her rape, though UNC did attempt to expell a young woman who did just that, these girls will continue to speak up. The DOE fines are hefty now, since the new 2011 guidance letter, and so you are getting much better attorneys attached to these cases and lawsuits, and they know how to use the media.</p>
<p>It won’t be long before universities start suing nationals for the fines they have to pay.</p>
<p>You could not make this stuff up:</p>
<p><a href=“UVA Dean Admits School Doesn't Expel People Who Have Admitted to Rape”>http://jezebel.com/uva-dean-admits-school-doesnt-expel-people-who-have-adm-1662615787</a></p>
<p>I was profoundly uncomfortable with the way Dean Eramo ‘handled’ the sexual assault cases, as portrayed in the RS article. If the Jezebel article is correct she should be fired. If the Jezebel article is correct the President should go. Everything about what we’re learning about UVA is so wrong that it beggers belief. </p>
<p>Time for college presidents to man up and get rid of the fraternity system. Terrible system that fosters terrible behavior. I think 99/100 presidents would like to get rid of it. They just don’t want backlash from alumni. Show some courage and take a stand-enough is enough. </p>
<p>That’s right, that will rid the world of rape. @@</p>
<p>“That’s right, that will rid the world of rape. @@”</p>
<p>We get it you think it wont stop or reduce rate. Explain to me then what productive purpose these segregated and exclusionary clubs have? How would most students college experience be lessened by the ending of frats? </p>
<p>I think whether Fraternities need to go depends on whether they are willing and able to change. </p>
<p>They can be a part of this solution, establish high expectations for their members, and expect members to report crimes committed by other members, or they can continue to harbor rapists and work to enforce a “code of silence.” </p>
<p>Fraternities can be good, but they have evolve with the culture, and put an end to some of the activities they have enabled in the past.</p>
<p>i would support any action that would help to end the epidemic of rapes on college campuses.</p>
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<p>That and the fact that apparently the national fraternities have a strong Washington lobby which fought to include fraternity membership under the protection of the “right to assemble” in the constitution. Apparently public schools cannot ban fraternities, or even a particular one. The source is below: </p>
<p><a href=“Why Don’t Colleges Get Rid of Their Bad Fraternities? - The Atlantic”>Why Don’t Colleges Get Rid of Their Bad Fraternities? - The Atlantic;
<p>If you don’t like frats, don’t join one. If you don’t like frats, don’t go to their parties. My son’s frat, apart from excluding women, had men of all races and creeds and they did many charitable events and pushed each other to keep the grade point average up. Men with GPAs below a certain level were kicked out. The frat magazine published the GPA for each chapter each quarter. The whole experience helped my son a lot. </p>
<p>Well, the First Amendment <em>can</em> be awfully inconvenient sometimes. </p>
<p>Love it when posts start generalizing about all frats or all athletes…good grief</p>
<p>Here is what really happens. Guys and girls in their freshman year are desperate to be members of the “best” and “most popular” fraternities and sororities. Upperclassmen in a game of sport take advantage of that and do unspeakable things to these innocent, naive, and unsuspecting kids. Great system. </p>
<p>Seems like what UVa has done is punish people who did nothing wrong vis-a-vis the crime in the Rolling Stone article. Meanwhile, now that the story is out, is the victim going to press for charges against the men who have graduated and moved away from campus? The campus no longer has any control over those men. It will be up to her to find the courage to do that.</p>
<p>Collegealum, great link. Wesleyan…</p>
<p>Honestly, it seems like people on CC want schools to get rid of fraternities, sororities, athletics, marching bands, any group at any school that doesn’t allow everyone to join. We can go back to the old days of males not being allowed in the female dorms after hours, and in fact can go back to single sex dorms. I think we should ban bicycles as they are the number one item stolen on campuses, so if we remove the temptation, the problem will be solved. Oh, and computer theft is becoming a problem, so the students should just go back to paper and pencils. No Northface jackets, no fancy cars, no liquor anywhere near the school. All cause problems.</p>