<p>Hey everyone. I am an int'l student applying to HYPS and Amherst too. I recently received an email from Allegheny College inviting me to a 'Leadership Application', whatever that is. Can someone please explain? </p>
<p>And is Allegheny a good college? Please check my stats (in other posts by me) and tell me whether I am a match or too good for it...</p>
<p>cheers!!</p>
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I think I know what you mean to ask, but I think it could have been phrased more politely. You would be in the top 20% of so of the class and under strong consideration for a merit scholarship, to answer your question.</p>
<p>Allegheny is a great college. It’s primarily strong in the sciences, but it’s quite good overall as well.</p>
<p>Your qualifications look strong. Allegheny College might be a good safety school for you (check it out). There are many alternatives among schools more selective than Allegheny, less so than Amherst. However, if you are applying for Fall 2010, the application deadlines for most of them have passed.</p>
<p>are there any better than allegheny whose deadlines have not passed? and what is the financial aid like for these unis? (I’m an international student)</p>
<p>Another thread lists the following schools with late deadlines. The ones in bold are coed, liberal arts colleges and universities that I know to be ranked a little higher than Allegheny (according to US News.) To research financial aid for internationals, google for the “common data set” of any school that interests you, download it, then read section H6.</p>
<p>Without knowing any more about your interests, I’d recommend Earlham as a good LAC that does grant aid to internationals. Among the universities, I suggest Indiana. These are all much less selective schools than HYPS or Amherst.</p>
<p>02/15 - Allegheny
02/15 Catholic University of America
02/15 - Earlham
02/15 - Muhlenberg College
02/15 - New College of Florida (priority, regular 04/15)
02/15 - RISD
02/15 - Rollins College
02/15 - Ursinus
02/15 - Wooster
03/01 - Agnes Scott College
03/01 - Hanover
03/01 - Ohio Wesleyan
03/01 - Rose-Hulman (Engineering)
04/01 - Colorado School of Mines (priority, regular 05/01)
08/01 - Fort Lewis
rolling - U Alabama (but priority is Feb 1st)
rolling - AQUINAS MI
rolling - Gustavus Adolphus
rolling - Hendrix
rolling - IU - Bloomington
rolling - Illinois Wesleyan
rolling - Northern Michigan
rolling - Illinois Institute of Technology</p>
<p>Hey cheers. im kinda looking for the next best thing if I am not admitted to HYPS or Amherst. Are these unis the ‘next best thing’?</p>
<p>and by the way can someone explain what is up with the ‘leadership application’ offer from allegheny???</p>
<p>No, these colleges are probably several 'next’s away from the next best thing to HYPS. But given that the vast majority of application deadlines have passed, the school tk21769 has bolded look like good remaining options.</p>
<p>If I understand correctly, the Leadership App at Allegheny is a kind of priority consideration. And - I may be wrong on this - but I think it may waive the application fee. Anyone who is a competitive applicant at HYPS would be virtually guaranteed admittance at Allegheny - it’s a safety school for you, in other words, but given the remaining options, it’s a decent one! Good luck!</p>
<p>I estimate there are about 75 “nexts” between HYPS+Amherst and most of the above schools, if admissions selectivity is the metric.</p>
<p>At Allegheny, the average combined M+CR SAT score is about 1200 (or a little less). At HYPS the average would be pushing 1500. The many schools in between include both liberal arts colleges and research universities. However, even at schools with lower averages (including small colleges like Allegheny and certainly the large state universities like Indiana) you would find students with very high scores who would have been qualified to attend more selective schools, but did not for financial or other reasons. </p>
<p>If that does not reassure you, if you are nervous about your chances and are willing to be a bit pushy, you could contact the admissions office of any school that interests you, explain your situation, and throw yourself at their mercy to accept a late application. I would not try this at one of the very most selective schools. But below are some very good ones that you might try (deadlines in parens). Macalester College and Colorado College are two small liberal arts colleges that I believe would be very interested in a highly qualified international applicant. Call or email, tell them where you come from and that you only recently heard about their wonderful school, highlight your qualifications, and ask politely if there’s the slightest chance they’d please accept your late application. Don’t let on that you’re worried Harvard won’t accept you. You have to be sincerely interested in the school (which you can be, because some of them are among the top choices of some very good students).</p>
<p>01/15 - American University (in Washington DC)
01/15 - Colorado College (located at the foot of the Rocky Mts; follows an unusual one-course-at-a-time “block plan”)
01/15 - Macalester College (in Minneapolis-St.Paul, known for enrolling many international students)
01/15 - Reed (considered one of the most intellectual schools in America)
01/15 - Tulane University (in New Orleans)
01/15 - University of Miami (if you find Florida appealing)
02/01 - Michigan (a top state university)
02/01 - Occidental (President Obama’s first college, near LA)
02/01 - Wisconsin-Madison (another top state university)</p>
<p>@hippo2718 sorry, that did sound arrogant. I didn’t mean to come across like that. What I was trying to ask was, can I do better?</p>
<p>Oooh! I like Reed! And Colorado sounds good. But the problem is, I am an international student who needs full financial aid. How are these schools for financial aid?</p>
<p>As suggested above,</p>
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<p>Off hand, I’m not sure about Reed’s aid for internationals. But one reason I suggested Colorado College (aside from the fact I have a kid there who loves it) is that their average aid package for international students is unusually high (about $40K as I recall); this suggests to me they are eager to attract more of you. </p>
<p>You need to get moving on your applications, though. You don’t have time to analyze this to death. Read up on the schools that sound interesting and contact them as soon as possible. Either of those schools would be fine back-ups to Amherst (some students would even prefer them), so you’ll be lucky if they agree to take your application a month late.</p>
<p>Reed unfortunately cannot afford too many international students, purely on institutional aid, so there are just about twenty to twenty five who get accepted with aid each year, and the selection process for those is obviously much tougher, but it happens. I got in with a substantial amount of aid, and if you really like the place, you should apply.</p>
<p>hm ok. do they sympathise with kids whose noncustodial parent refuses to contribute towards costs of college?</p>
<p>yeah I’ll ring Reed and Colorado tomorrow morning Pacific time.</p>
<p>Cool thanks so much everyone!</p>
<p>Hey everyone, I went on the Common app, and it appears that I can still submit my common app to Reed College. Should I submit it?</p>
<p>Hey everyone, if I do the Allegheny leadership application, am I still eligible for admission to other colleges? Or is there some kind of restrictive thing going on?</p>
<p>To your question about a non-custodial parent’s unwillingness to contribute-yes. It’s strange because I had/have the exact same situation and Reed was the only college that fully understood my situation; of course you have to have enough matter to substantiate your history with the non-custodial parent and whether they are legally or otherwise exempt from contributing towards your education.</p>
<p>Are you applying this year or next year? If you’re applying this year, Reed will be out of the running since the deadline was 15th January.</p>
<p>Contact the Reed admission office and ask if it’s too late; they’ll answer the question!
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<p>-no the leadership app isn’t binding</p>
<p>Also, Earlham is apparently a haven for internationals, and according to tk21769’s list its deadline hasn’t passed yet. I would definitely check it out.</p>
<p>With respect to a non-custodial parent’s unwillingness to contribute, being sympathetic is one thing, actually awarding aid is another. If your non-custodial parent has significant income or assets, normally s/he is expected to contribute. Unwillingness probably will not factor into the question of whether you qualify for need-based aid. If you don’t qualify, but one parent won’t contribute enough to cover costs, then you should have been looking for schools that offer significant “merit-based” scholarships to international students. As far as I know, HYPS and Amherst do not (although they are very generous with need-based aid). Do you have any idea what is your “Expected Family Contribution” (EFC)?</p>
<p>Reed does grant need-based aid to internationals, but does not grant merit-based scholarships to anyone. Colorado College grants both need-based and merit-based aid to internationals; the aid application deadline (for CSS/PROFILE online) is February 15. I do not know about Allegheny or the other mentioned schools.</p>
<p>At this late date you should focus on getting the application ball rolling at a school willing to consider your application, and if necessary, one that does award merit scholarships to internationals. Then follow the process and hope for the best.</p>