<p>in state people at UM do have an adv. They dont need as high of stats to get in as OOS. 50% is on the low side though. Same with UVA.</p>
<p>UCSF and UWash come to mind that have higher IS %</p>
<p>Cadriethiel, I don’t know where you are getting your information about IS acceptances but I think it is inaccurate. If you look at the number of IS and OOS applicants that were offered interviews for 2013 it is 70% OOS. See below:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.med.umich.edu/medschool/admissions/2013%20Tracker.pptx[/url]”>http://www.med.umich.edu/medschool/admissions/2013%20Tracker.pptx</a></p>
<p>Also, look at the statistics from 2008 where 73% of the acceptances were OOS.</p>
<p>Fall 2008 Admissions Statistics
Total admissions data 5818 applied, 743 interviewed, 419
were accepted, 170 enrolled
In-state admissions data 1050 applied, 168 interviewed, 114
were accepted, 78 enrolled
Out-of-state admissions data 4768 applied, 575 interviewed, 305
were accepted, 92 enrolled</p>
<p>The only area where IS applicants have a higher average is matriculation at 68% compared with 30% OOS which resulted in 46% IS enrollment.</p>
<p>Also, take a look at the data for both MSU and WSU’s rates compared to U-M so you can get an idea of what IS preference really is. If you click on each school it will bring up the admission data.</p>
<p>[Medical</a> Schools in Michigan](<a href=“http://www.medicalschoolsinusa.com/medical-schools-in-michigan/]Medical”>http://www.medicalschoolsinusa.com/medical-schools-in-michigan/)</p>
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The link I provided does not seem to back up that claim. The average and low GPA of OOS applicants that were offered interviews is lower than IS. See the grpah on page 2.</p>
<p>It appears that shadowing and volunteering have taken on a lot more importance in getting accepted into medical school in recent years because I was accepted many years ago without doing any of either but I did have a good MCAT score and strong GPA, particularly in science. Therefore my advice may not be relavent these days but here it is:</p>
<p>Before getting involved in things like shadowing and volunteering you have got to fix the biggest problem you have as far as acceptance to medical school is concerned and that is your 3.37 GPA. That is not competitive for any U.S. medical school and needs to be raised to at least 3.5 and preferably to 3.6 before any medical school is going to seriously consider your application. Once your academic statistics are much stronger, than you can get more involved in shadowing and volunteering.</p>
<p>First, I said that IS represents half the incoming class, which is true if you look at their class profiles. </p>
<p>Furthermore, the statistics above show that in-state students do have an advantage, a quick calculation shows that the acceptance rate for IS students is 10.8% vs. OOS at 6%. That is a pretty significant difference. </p>
<p>Finally, you are looking at the new tracker which is not the average of an entire application season. It is difficult to draw conclusions from this tracker because it is too early in the season. I do have a copy of last year’s tracker, so I have pulled the stats for you:</p>
<p>Accepted applicant data
MCAT average: 11.56 in-state, 12.18 out-of-state (essentially a 34.5 vs. 36.5)
GPA average: 3.81 for both (although the lowest IS was 2.8 vs 3.0 OOS)
Acceptance rates: 6% OOS and 11.5% IS</p>
<p>It is statistically incorrect to just look at how many OOS vs. IS students there are at a school. This doesn’t determine the advantage of being an IS student. The best determination is to compare MCAT/GPA scores and acceptance rates. </p>
<p>No, its not as big an advantage as some schools, but there is a significant advantage.</p>
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I’m sorry but that is NOT a significant difference. Let’s look at WSU and MSU.</p>
<p>WSU IS 29% OOS 6.3%</p>
<p>MSU Osteo IS 12.3% OOS 3.5%</p>
<p>MSU Human Med IS 35.5% OOS 2.4%</p>
<p>Your original statement that U-M has a STRONG bias is faulty. To say they might have a SLIGHT advantage would be more accurate.</p>
<p>It is a huge advantage when you’re talking about doubling your chances at a top 10 school. Furthermore, it is certainly statistically significant, as it is reproducible across years at a pretty consistent rate (because the admissions committee purposefully gives advantage to IS students).</p>
<p>Also, look at the U-M class profiles in the last ten years. How many years do you think had a higher IS percentage? The answer is 3 (2002, 2010, and 2012). Here are the OOS percentages:</p>
<p>2002 48%
2003 55%
2004 53%
2005 55.4%
2006 54.1%
2007 56%
2008 54.1%
2009 52.4%
2010 48.8%
2011 52.9%
2012 44.9%</p>
<p>Does that look like a strong bias for IS residents?</p>
<p>Yes… it does. All are close to 50%, I am not sure what point you are making in your previous post. As I stated previously, the best measure is acceptance rates. IS acceptance rates are constantly 2x better than OOS.</p>
<p>The point I am making is that is NOT a strong bias when you compare it to every other IS school in Michigan and most of the ones in different states. Obviously, you are blinded by the maize and blue sunglasses and can’t comprehend this.</p>
<p>Also, please provide the link that shows the 2X acceptance rate every year.</p>
<p>Please don’t insult me, we are both adults and can have this discussion in a mature manner. Sadly, I also don’t own any sunglasses like you’ve described above :(</p>
<p>You provided the statistics yourself above. Approximately 11-12% of in-state applicants are accepted each year, compared to 6% of out-of-state applicants. You are essentially twice as likely to get in as an IS applicant vs. an OOS applicant (the odds ratio is 2.13). Comparing by percent of in-state out-of-state in a matriculated is incorrect because there are a different number of in-state to out-of-state applicants to begin with. I admit that this was my fault in my first post. In any case, about 5000 applicants apply from OOS vs. 1000 IS, so it should come as no surprise that there are a lot of OOS students in the final matriculated class. </p>
<p>I never said there was a greater advantage at UM compared to MSU. I said that it has a strong bias for in-state students, which is true. MSU has a stronger bias. That is quite true, but I never compared the two. I guess my feeling is that if I were a Michigan resident I would feel lucky to have a top ten school that gave me some preference because I was in-state (understandably so), and a lower tuition to boot.</p>
<p>No, you did not say gave some preference, you used the word STRONG bias and that is just not accurate. I love your rounding. 6.3% vs 10.8% is not 2X. U-M is not comparable in preference to ANY other Michigan school, not just MSU. You seem to pick and choose what data you want to use and discount it when it differs. If you want to see a school with a STRONG bias for IS outside of Michigan (i.e WSU or MSU) look at University of Florida.</p>
<p>IS acceptance 14.55%
OOS acceptance 1.6%</p>
<p>or even more extreme FSU:</p>
<p>IS 13.2%
OOS .26%</p>
<p>Thanks for the replies everyone! I just took my first real vacation in 4 years to take a break from school. I agree with a lot of the comments you said as medical schools need to set a standard but I can only hope they look at the grades in their entirety. I have an upward trend in my grades and I have a 3.9-.95 in my science classes and my Post-Bacc GPA is a 3.85. I’m going to be shadowing a physician, getting involved in brain tumor research and continuing community service with Girl Scouts. If I have to take an extra year to get into Medical school I will, I just hope I can get in for 2014 so I’m not sitting around for 2 years. Thanks again everyone, I really really appreciate it!</p>
<p>Christy</p>