Amendment 2/Prop 8 -- I CANNOT BELIEVE the nerve of this country

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<p>I do believe it is time for me to formally be honest and frank with you:</p>

<p>***** YOU if you voted for Prop 8, or Amendment 2. I WILL NOT talk to you again!
Ever.</p>

<p>You're setting this country back to where it began. But we haven't even evolved from that place except we ironically voted a black president. Great! That's totally hunkee-doree! It's wonderful to have him in! BUT HOW DARE YOU place him ahead and place us back. +1, (black president) -1,(prop 8, amendment 2) EQUALS ZERO! We've not improved anything here people!</p>

<p>It's this kind of disillusionment of the extremists and other homophobes that tears the country apart. They believe we are the bad guys. WHY? Do we not all breathe with the same two nostrils, eyes (one, two?,) eat food, go to bed, every night, IT'S WHAT WE DO AS H<em>U</em>M<em>A</em>N*S!! Right? Right? Am I Right? God, I just feel like a raging Chris Crocker, and let me say this, in his fashion, "LEAVE GAYS ALONE!" Oh, and as if gay rights being destroyed and taken away aren't bad enough, Amendment 2 in Florida takes away elderly rights, too. SO NOW, we have gays fighting and elderly people fighting to find LOVE and get civil unions. And neither gays NOR elderly people, now, have visitation rights in hospitals! The makers of the damn Amendment 2 probably DIDN'T realize that, in fact, no! You are not invincible to age, you will get older, and in thirty years, when they're 70, and they want to get married or visit their already established husband/wife in the hospital, they'll regret ever making Amendment 2! </p>

<p>But most importantly, you know what else you deserve? To realize the truth. No matter what you believe, who you believe in, we are all human. We just ARE. There's nothing more. Learn to live and LET LIVE! Have we EVER done anything against you? NO!!! And if we have, it's because you taunted us and taken away our rights. That would be like the US voting system only counting votes from nebraska to elect a republican president. Isn't that ridiculous? Or wouldn't it be? WE're all human we deserve the sameights. End of story. Period. And if you don't believe that I don't ever want to hear from you again, I'm sorry. Point Blank. I'm getting tired of rthis , the world NEEDS to realize we are human. How many times can I say this incessantly?</p>

<p>Think about this: two homophobic people uniting in a union of ironic Love? Hmm. Let's rethink that, America. The land of the free and the home of the homophobic. I think we put the home in homophobic. It's enough already!!!!!!!!!</p>

<p>As the Beatles song goes, "All you need is Love, Love, Love is all you need." ISN'T IT? Isn't it time we BELIEVE THAT!!!!</p>

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<p>Have a cookie.</p>

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<p>How dare anyone have a right to an opinion that differs from yours.</p>

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<p>It's a FACT that we're all humans, and that we all deserve equal rights. There is no subjectivity to that, I swear.</p>

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<p>I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, and I'd actually rather keep my opinions to myself, but you have to understand that not everyone will agree with you. And seriously, throwing a fit isn't the way to provide a clear and convincing argument.</p>

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He's a strong political leader who's come along at a time when one is needed.

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<p>I think the problem is that this country is not founded on the idea of legislating your opinions, but rather equal treatment under the law.</p>

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<p>By voting for Prop 8, you are writing discrimination into your state constitution. Its not right and its not what America should be about.</p>

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<p>yeah sucks how it got passed...I'm a CA resident so it was a heated discussion at my school.</p>

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<p>In any Midwestern or Southern state, this wouldn't even be a debate. There would be no way that a ban on gay marriage would ever be rejected.</p>

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<p>Well, it's technically the nerve of California (and states that have already denied gays the right to marriage), not all of America.</p>

<p>It is my personal opinion that opponents of gay marriage have founded their opinions on implicit beliefs, as opposed to logical reasoning. </p>

<p>I'd also say that denying gays the right to marriage is unconstitutional based on the fact that...</p>

<p>It denies certain citizens (homosexuals) the rights (to marry) of other citizens (heterosexuals).


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<p>...Unfortunately, that little thing called "due process of law" allows the law to deprive a person of liberty. The only reason gay marriage is illegal is because the State (voiced by the people) said so. It's perfectly constitutional.</p>

<p>So why'd I go through all that to explain its constitutionality? My third opinion of personal derivation is that people who voted for Prop 8 have failed in their moral duties to uphold a certain universal right of all persons, and that they are guided by intolerance instead of logic.</p>

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...Unfortunately, that little thing called "due process of law" allows the law to deprive a person of liberty. The only reason gay marriage is illegal is because the State (voiced by the people) said so. It's perfectly constitutional.

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<p>Actually, its not... ever heard of "equal protection" or "substantive due process"?? There are many other laws in CA that have yet to be challenged that break these dictums. These too shall fall :)</p>

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<p>Oh well, whether proposition 8 passed or failed it seemed the losing side will keep returning for the next decade until the inevitable acceptance of gay marriage. Don't despair. Easier said than done, but the vote was overwhelmingly against 8 in the younger demographic. </p>

<p>(I know you needed to get your feelings out, but now is the time for you to be researching legal maneuvres and demographic statistics. Of course, a state constitutional amendment cannot be overturned by a state supreme court, but the vote itself is another issue, as is the possibility of consecutive legal challenges. The USSC's current judges are too conservative right now, though, so although some action is needed, now is the time to rally opinion - but now is not the time to rush recklessly into actions that may only succeed in crystallizing the misconceptions and biases that got 8 passed in the first place.
I don't think it will go four years without a fight, and as an apparent US Citizen you could add just a tiny bit of momentum by adding yourself to the Courage Campaign etc. Surely lots of others are vexed, and they may feel better knowing that there's enough force to rebound with lots of people. It should be obvious that California's Proposition 8 commanded a lot of international attention, or at least 4 hours of my night.)</p>

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<p>Those crazy black people who voted for Prop 8 70/30.</p>

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<p>I'm a conservative Republican but I am strongly against 8 as well. It's just blatant discrimination. Yes, like my fellow conservatives said, the justices intervened like activists and made gay marriage legal without consent from voters. But it was completely justified, because not allowing gay people to marry is a violation of human rights. </p>

<p>When the justices did Brown v. Board should they have asked the people to vote on it? No, and the people of the south would have easily kept segregation if we asked them to vote on it.</p>

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<p>Besides gay marriage, California also needs to address its problem with holding back polygamy marriage rights. Polygamists are real people too, hurt by society's discrimination. Polygamists may be the most persecuted minority group in the America. Rather than looking down on polygamy, it seems the gays in California should broaden their voting support base and make an alliance with the persecuted polygamy community. Why not get rid of the discrimination against polygamists too?</p>

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<p>The City Attorneys of Los Angeles and San Francisco are motioning on the Revision vs Amendment grounds.</p>

<p>Six couples are suing.</p>

<p>SFGov:</a> Office of the City Attorney: News Release: 2008-11-05
<a href="http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_10904639?nclick_check=1%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_10904639?nclick_check=1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>Why is the government marrying people? It has no right to be involved in my relationship with others.</p>

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<p>@17</p>

<p>It's defended on the claim that marriage is of benefit to society. This assumption is not necessarily true, and (in the Caribbean and Switzerland) marriage rates are falling since it just isn't relevant anymore. A related assumption concerns nuclear families as basic social units, which is not merely atavistic but parochially insensitive to ethnic diversity.</p>

<p>Apart from the defense (which may or may not be concerned with how it got into law in the first place), marriage in law is likely (this is just an inference) a Judeo-Christian relic. It was certainly a ritually dense tradition for the rich and powerful a few hundred years ago in Aristochristocratic Europe, and with Japan's race to purge itself of the old cultures (to embrace European machinary) a kinda ersatz Judeoform rooted in Asia.</p>

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<p>I came from a conservative background in San Diego, and now am in a quite liberal area in Santa Cruz. Of course it was a nice victory with Obama, but bittersweet.</p>

<p>Prop 8 is far more important on the No side to some people than it is for people on the Yes side. If you were gay, would you like the opportunity to get married one day? Being queer is a psychological thing, not a choice. Just like a guy like me is attracted to girls, another guy named Michael could be attracted to someone named Chris. What right do we have to say that Michael and Chris cannot get married? Sure it is no big deal right? I mean they can still be "partners." ...So what do they live life for? Anyone will tell you that getting married is one of the gifts of a successful life. It is quite sad, in my honest opinion, that more than half of California just sees gay people as another species, tainted with corruption. Gay people are just like you or me, and your best friend could be gay and you might not even know it. If you voted yes on proposition 8, how can you look a queer man into the eyes. The gay community does not ask for much, just equal rights so they can live their lives like any other married couple.</p>

<p>Although the OP had a fairly immature post, he seems to be heavily affected by the proposition outcome. Like I said, I think people who are pro prop 8 do not see it as a very important measure... they just rather leave marriage as it is (defined as a man and a woman). The anti-prop 8 people though, were fighting for a larger cause, and do not know what to think or what to do now that they see that even California cannot reach common sense.</p>

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<p>There's a reason why laws shouldn't ever be made through a show of hands - and this is one clear and sobering example why. This is an unfortunate instance of blatantly allowing prejudice to encroach on people's rights and into the law through popular vote.</p>