Amendment 2/Prop 8 -- I CANNOT BELIEVE the nerve of this country

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<p>darn I can’t edit my post anymore :(</p>

<p>I take back what I said. Way too harsh.</p>

<p>Still, liberals complain/claim that conservatives are too stubborn and can’t accept new ideas, well liberals can’t accept old ideas.</p>

<p>Anyway, if you’re gay, w/e nothing to do with me. I don’t really care. I couldn’t care less if 2 gay people got married. Good for them.</p>

<p>The reason I am angry, is because it’s as if gays think they’re better than normal people (as in not gay). I mean if you’re gay, fine, live your own life however you want, but seriously, what’s up with all this gay pride BS? parades, clubs, groups, etc. </p>

<p>I mean yes, I agree that some gay people are being discriminated against, but you shouldn’t demand being sympathized with. I mean, if an old person comes on the bus, and there are no seats left, I’d be more than glad to let him sit on mine. However, if he comes over and shouts at me saying “Get off that seat you lazy kid can’t you see I’m old?” then I will not get off. </p>

<p>I live in Canada, where gay marriage is legal. Again, I’m not against gay marriage, I’m just angered by how much gay people think they deserve everything. Just for this, I find myself being discriminated against much more than gays themselves. Yet discrimination against so called “homophobes” is okay. </p>

<p>Killing a normal person is just murder, while killing a gay person is not only murder, but also a hate crime. I really don’t see why gays deserve so much special treatment. Why isn’t killing a baker a hate crime?</p>

<p>I’m not very good with language, and I can’t express my thoughts very well. But anyway, at least I tried to explain myself.</p>

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<p>The parades were originally as much for the participants as they are for the onlookers. Most gay people were in the closet and ashamed of themselves back than, and the parades were mean to counteract that. I don’t think they’re necessary anymore. Now they’re just parties. </p>

<p>Hate crimes laws already protect black people, white people, women, men, disabled people, pretty much every “involuntary” group (though I suppose religion is voluntary, and it’s also on the list). If sexual orientation was added, it would protect both straight and gay people. I’m not sure whether I support these laws, because I don’t know whether they work as a deterrent.</p>

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<p>being not gay, i do see it as kind of obnoxious, but it is really understandable when viewed in context, i think. it must be terrible growing up & being told that you are a broken person because you like men & not women. </p>

<p>clubs & groups are a way of dealing with these things and a way of meeting other people like you. it’s prob. harder to date if you are gay than if you are straight (fewer gays than heterosexuals, can’t always tell if they other guy is gay, etc. . .).</p>

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<p>? they should be happy about being second-class citizens ? this is sounding a bit like “them negroes sure are getting uppity” although the injustice against gays today is def. of a much lower magnitude than blacks in the US during the early-mid 20th century.</p>

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<p>there are no laws banning homophobia in the US or canada. they aren’t being discriminated against except possibly in</p>

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<p>im not defending them right now. i will say that i think that the foundations they rest on are a little shaky, but possibly could be amenable to reason.</p>

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<p>No?</p>

<p>Well, I got kicked out of my swim club for saying “homophobia is not a good word, because phobia means fear, but we aren’t afraid of gay people, just dislike them”</p>

<p>(context was I said I learned a common curse word in german that means gay pig and a person said that is so homophobic)</p>

<p>No there are no laws banning homophobia, but since most teenagers nowadays tend to be more liberal, they seem to look down on people who disagree with homosexuality. </p>

<p>Just like a few posters in here, who believe that everyone who disagrees with homosexuality is a stupid hillbilly who knows nothing.</p>

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That makes sense.</p>

<p>Still, I feel it’s too “in your face”, like an old man demanding my seat on the bus.</p>

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<p>they’re not 2nd class. Normal murders usually have a paragraph or two on this newspaper (not a very good one, but still) on page 2 or 3, but when there’s a “hate crime” (who knows if it even is a hate crime?) it’s always front page for a few days.</p>

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<p>You blame gays for what the media chooses to cover? Like I said, hate crimes laws protect straight people too. If someone killed a person for being straight, they would be charged. And presumably a court of law attempts to determine whether it is a hate crime based on the evidence presented at trial.</p>

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Obviously, you have freedom of speech so you shouldn’t be punished by the government, but a private organization is free not to associate with you. If I guy came to one of the groups I’m in and said that he didn’t like gay people, one of us would be leaving.</p>

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Who said I was a liberal?</p>

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<p>yikes, i guess that was unclear. if it isn’t consensual, it is obviously bad. if it is, i think it is really weird and really gross, but not worth writing or enforcing a law against.</p>

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<p>well, im sorry that gay groups and clubs are offending your delicate sensibilities~</p>

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<p>in the US they are. gay couples aren’t offered the same benefits as straight people in marriages. in most areas of the country if you are openly gay, you have no chance of becoming elected. there are prob. more im not thinking of . . .</p>

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<p>Proposition 8 is the least of this country’s problems. Get a grip of yourselves.</p>

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<p>Homosexuality became legal throughout India today. It’s still illegal in over seventy countries and punishable by death in seven.</p>

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<p>I agree that it isn’t the US’s most important political issue, but it is moronic to think because of that, we should give up discussion on the subject.</p>

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<p>^Agreed. I strongly disagreed with prop 8 and it’ll never be overturned if we stop discussing it and making it a part of our political agenda. </p>

<p>I haven’t bothered reading this entire thread, but it doesn’t seem like anyone has brought up the fact that this is a violation of church and state, since most of the arguments against this have been religious ones. We don’t live in a theocracy, and therefore we shouldn’t be obligated to follow the laws of any religion. If the bible says that gay marriage is an abomination, so be it. However, I’m not a Christian and I don’t live my life according to the bible. Why should the rest of us have to?</p>

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<p>I’m not saying that it is unimportant. Simply, I’m stating that there are MANY things that are much more immediate problems, such as the implosion of socialist doctrine within the White House. Should our country become engulfed by a marxist “change we can believe in”, the discussion of Proposition 8 wouldn’t even be happening. Why? Because the concept we call free speech would be completely eradicated from the face of the nation.</p>

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<p>God, people are crazy. You really, really, really, really, realllllllly think Obama is going to start prosecuting people for debating political issues? Sorry to inform you, he won the election fair and square, with 7.5 million more votes than any other candidate in history. He’s doing just fine without sending out the brown-shirts to arrest you for saying that he’s growing the deficit too much.</p>

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<p>“I’m not saying that it is unimportant. Simply, I’m stating that there are MANY things that are much more immediate problems, such as the implosion of socialist doctrine within the White House. Should our country become engulfed by a marxist “change we can believe in”, the discussion of Proposition 8 wouldn’t even be happening. Why? Because the concept we call free speech would be completely eradicated from the face of the nation.”</p>

<p>lol</p>

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<p>lol, you’re funny B Man 22. the analogy to the USPS has been done to death, but how about one we can all relate to: college. The public college/university system is doing a fine job, and while it is definitely cheaper than the private institutes, Stanford, Yale, Embry-Riddle, etc. certainly aren’t having a difficult time competing. O, that’s right, you ignore these examples.</p>

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<p>Don’t be so naive to think that “change” happens right in front of your eyes. </p>

<p>Smallz…what are you talking about? Are you talking about the postal service? uhm…</p>

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<p>i’ve seen a small footage with 2 guys at Hardvard beating on a poor assian guys.
Nobody tried to help, pretty disturbing for my ass, wish i was there teach them a lesson.</p>

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<p>I don’t understand how anyone can be against gay marriage. It’s not even a valid opinion - it’s just bigotry.</p>

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<p>@138
Some people have been deceived into thinking that the rights of religious institutions will be infringed upon. Also, bigotry is a valid opinion. Perhaps it is not a valid judicial opinion, but whether it can serve as a democratic directive is ambiguous.</p>

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<p>They have nothing to fear. Racist churches are allowed to refuse to hold interracial marriages, due to the first amendment. It would be funny to see them have to cite that precedent if they got sued though…</p>

<p>To anyone worried about ruining the “sanctity of marriage”:
Massachusetts’ divorce rate decreased in 2008 to 2.0 per 1000, which is the lowest in the country and equal to the US nationwide rate in 1940.</p>