Andove parents, please share experience and answer questions

<p>I know some of you out there (lurkers included) are making an enrollment decision for this fall right now. If you are still considering Andover as an option, as the parent of a current Andover senior, I'm willing to answer your questions if you have any. I know a few Andover parents on this forum whose kids may be in different grades, and I'd like to invite them to come on here to share their experience and answer questions as well. Obviously, I will be biased but I also know no school is perfect and more importantly no school is great for everyone, so I will try to be as objective as possible when I answer questions. </p>

<p>A few 'keywords' about DC's background, in case you are curious. :) Here they go - joined Andover from a public middle school, ORM boy who's young for his grade, non-repeater, non athelete, smart and academic but with no "special talents", 4 year boarder (6 hour drive from home)... So, ask here or PM your questions!</p>

<p>How did it affect your DC socially being young among many red shirts? Being an ORM without sports and other special talents must have been difficult for college admissions. How did your DC do in college admissions? Are you FP or FA? What are the few things in your DC’s opinion Andover should improve?</p>

<p>@tigermama:

To be honest, I thought being in that position would be hard, but DS never complained about it in particular. For the first couple of years, he was involved in a sport with many “big guys” both in size and in age. He got along with them just fine although he could never get <em>anywhere</em> with that sport. I think he was flexible and adaptable to begin with, and his BS experience has made him even more so. On the other hand, he does have learned to be more assertive and how to say no under certain circumstances and for things that matter most to him. Another thing I noticed was that in the beginning he was seeking out (probably subconciously) the younger kids or day students who were not so “experienced” socially (Andover being a bigger school makes it easier), but with time that line is getting blurred. He’s involved more and more with students one or two grades higher as he’s taking advanced classes and involved in actitvities with students from different grades. Last year, when we visited a college, quite a few recent Andover graduates attending the college approached him and said hi. I was surprised he even knew all of them. </p>

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It is challenging for sure, but I think (to my expectations anyway) he’s been doing pretty well. He’s got most of his results now and they included admissions of some highly selective colleges and his first choice. Obviously, everyone’s story is different, but kids like DS are plenty and I highly doubt his experience/outcome is an exception. I have to say Andover’s college counseling is very effective. They provide good guidance and give students more freedom within reason as to where they apply, and they support and advocate for them strongly. The results however are not always satisfactory and this time of the year is especially hard for many, but from what I’ve learned most students will end up in a college where they feel they should/want to be.

FA in Andover and FP in college.

Off the top my head - 1. Some teachers are not as good as others. Most of them have great qualifications and teach well but some just don’t care enough. 2. Too little support for extracurricular activities from the teachers. The students at Andover are incredibly capable and they make things work, excellently, but it would be easier and more productive to have more teachers support.</p>

<p>I’m also happy to answer questions, but please, I really could use some help with a the abbreviations above. I have a boarding daughter whose a new Upper, playing two sports and active in community service. She came from an independent school and we are just starting the college process.</p>

<p>FP - full pay
FA - financial aid
DC- darling child
DS - darling son
DD- darling daughter
BS - boarding school
ORM - over represented minority</p>

<p>I hope that’s what you wanted! :D</p>

<p>@BAREERS</p>

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<p>If possible, I’d love if any of these questions were answered!</p>

<p>Thanks a lot! :)</p>

<p>-Zizo Bahnasy</p>

<p>@ZizoBahnasy: That’s a lot of questions. Let me see if I can answer some of them.
Could you possibly describe the school’s environment? Is it easy to make friends and/or get along with the faculty? How should I make a first impression to my future peers?
Socially, Andover is a pretty laid back place. There’s no formal dress code. Walking on the campus, you will see students hanging out or walking around in pairs or in small groups. They don’t look stressed or unhappy, although they are inevitably stressed some times and not always happy either. And you don’t need me to tell you that the Andover community is a very diversified one. Since it’s a bigger school, you will be more likely to find a group of kids with similar background and interests as yours and with whom you can get along. So yes, it’s easy to find friends. Teachers are generally all very approachable, and likely you will see them outside classrooms as well – on the playground as your coach, or in the dorm as your house counselor. You don’t need to do anything to “impress” your peers. Just be yourself, and be patient if you don’t immediately find your “circle”. It takes time to know the new people and it takes time for others to know you. In summary, I wouldn’t worry about the social fitting in – you will be fine!</p>

<p>What are the pros and cons of a campus such as Andover’s? Is it difficult to transition between classes? Please keep in mind the fact that I have never visited the school, though I do have a “revisit” scheduled for April 4th and 5th!
It’s a pretty big campus with a lot of green. Amazingly beautiful, in spring and fall particularly! Depending on where you are from and your personal preference, you may or may not like the setup, which is pretty spread out. The 10 minute break between classes however is more than enough for walking from class to class in most cases, and the distance between the two academic buildings most apart from each other is just about 10 minutes’ walk.</p>

<p>I have always done considerably well in most subjects, and I do enjoy the range of topics offered to high school students. I’ve always been classified as a “math-and-science person,” though I am very much interested in history, and I enjoy reading. I do not particularly favor writing essays, though I do enjoy doing them if they are not done “last minute,” or in a rushed manner. I also enjoy playing the clarinet, singing (although I may not be very appealing as a chorus member!), playing sports, etc. I simply love extracurriculars. With all of this information in mind, should I follow a certain “path” at Andover? I do NOT want to limit myself to a path and end up regretting it, though. :confused: I know my schedule is not as free as a freshman, but I am still very curious about this subject. I apologize if this question of sorts does not make much sense; I’m not 100% sure how to explain my situation.
Andover is very well resourced, so don’t worry that your desire for academic challenges and your intellectual curiosities will not be met, whether it’s math and science or social sciences. Check out the course offerings and the scholar programs on the school website and you’ll get an idea. Essay writing however is something you’ll have to learn to like I think. You will be asked to do a lot of it. You can of course plan well and start as early as possible but with the demanding course load, you won’t be able to write “at leisure”. You will have plenty opportunities to involve in sports and music, and all sorts of extracurricular activities you are interested (again, check the school website for the offerings). Andover’s students are very talented so expect to be working with peers of high competency and involve in activities that are in advanced level. That said, you will soon find yourself have to choose the battles. Learn to give up some things so you can focus on some others and do them well, and to get some down time and a little social life. </p>

<p>Which language should I take? I was thinking of Latin, especially because I had a sample of it in fifth grade, and I’ve studied Italian in school for seventh and eighth grade (so far). I know the school does not offer Italian, so should I take Latin? What about Spanish or French? Greek? My parents are also both Egyptian, so I speak improper (not formal) Arabic quite fluently at home.
Arabic is a very popular choice in Andover. Latin has some great teachers, as far as I know. I’m not familiar with the others. Sorry I can’t be more helpful on this. (to be continued)</p>

<p>How many days of school does Andover consist of per year? For example, my public middle school requires students to attend school for 180 days. What is the deal with Andover, in this case? I know this seems unimportant, but I AM curious!
Check out Andover’s academic calendar at [Phillips</a> Academy - Calendar](<a href=“http://www.andover.edu/Calendar/Pages/default.aspx]Phillips”>http://www.andover.edu/Calendar/Pages/default.aspx). Remember it’s a boarding school, so when school is in session, it’s intense and you spend many more hours in school than in any public school. So don’t count days, instead think how much you get done when you are there.
How often can I go home? I happen to live in New Jersey, so I can’t visit my family and friends too often. :confused:
Any time you want, as long as you are not missing or late for any school commitment. Realistically though, you probably will only be able to or only want to after a while go home during long weekends and breaks.</p>

<p>What extracurriculars should I take as a freshman? I mentioned a few of my interests earlier.
After you check out the sports offering, opportunities for musicians and student run clubs on the school website, hopefully you will know. Talk to your advisors after you enroll. They will help you.</p>

<p>Is the competition overwhelming? How about the workload? How much work is assigned to freshmen?
It looks like you already assume there will be a lot of competitions, and you are right. Obviously, whether it’s “overwhelming” is a subjective measurement, but I can tell you when so many talented students are pooled together, competition is a natural part of the experience. It means you can take few things for granted, and have to work hard for almost everything you want - whether it’s the membership of a varsity team, a leadership position or a high grade in class… That said, what I like as I learned from DC is that Andover students’ “mainstream” idea of winning is to push oneself up instead of dragging others down, and I do see students in the same class forming study groups and critiquing each others’ essays, and kids in the same clubs collaborate closely and productively, etc.
As for the workload, I could give you a number, which by the way is posted on school website too, but I want to put it this way. Depending on the rigor of your previous school, you could have very different feeling in the first year. Regardless, you should try to use the first year to develop good work habits. Learn to mange your time and priorities well. Trust me, you will need these skills very soon.</p>

<p>BAREERS, thanks for joining me here on this thread. It sounds like our kids do have some significant differences, which is good as I am sure people want to hear different perspectives. Please feel free to take on the same set of questions and provide your experiences and opinions. Correct me if I was wrong on something and its ok to disagree with me. :)</p>

<p>Hey Alden, I think it’s great that we are sharing different perspectives; healthy discussion should add value for Zizo, others and may also cause us to re-examine our experiences and bias. Feel free to continue to question any of my posts and, from my perspective, I was nodding my head in agreement with many of your points. </p>

<p>All the best (Go Big Blue) :)</p>