Another nutjob gets tasered

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<p>He broke the established rules of the forum. He barged in in the middle and caused a disruption. Questions were capped at 60 seconds. The police officer told him kindly to get to his question... he was a dick to her. He kept on going and would have probably been up there for 5 minutes if he had his way. Students were becoming uncomfortable and leaving. </p>

<p>The cops were at first just escorting him out. His open resist and cursing at the officers made that become arrest.</p>

<p>*** is your problem with society? Did mommy catch you smoking a j?</p>

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Why was this kid being arrested in the first place?

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<p>As I stated earlier, it appears that he wasn't going to be arrested. Rather, he was going to be escorted out of the room as his time for questioning was up and he was refusing to leave. He only made it worse on himself by fighting the officers, which then led to his arrest.</p>

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Cuse0507, you openly admit that you take pleasure in viewing someone else's pain? You are soulless and have sided against humanity.

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<p>Take pleasure in viewing another man's pain? Not really. Enjoy watching some little prick get exactly what he deserves under the law? Hell yeah.</p>

<p>It is a taser, it isn't the end of the world. Most police officers are tasered themselves as part of training.</p>

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That "annoying kid" has more courage in his little finger than all three of you cowards cmbined.

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<p>Courage? Wait, was he courageous when he was yelling "ayy help meeeeee, help meeeeeeee!" of when he was saying "don't tase me bto!"</p>

<p>Replace "courage" with "ignorance" and your statement would be more correct.</p>

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<p>He disturbed the peace by going over his time limit of 1 minute, at which point his microphone was cut off. When police went to escort him out for violating the rules of the forum, he became angry. </p>

<p>His conduct was disorderly in the auditorium. He was not being arrested or under arrest until he refused to leave the auditorium. He was simply being escorted out of the auditorium for breaking the forum rules.</p>

<p>He ignored and resisted multiple lawful orders by a police officer by refusing to leave the auditorium. He assaulted a police officer.</p>

<p>Everyone has been up-in-arms about how his free speech was violated, when by going over the time limit and causing a scene, he obstructed other students' opportunities to ask questions.</p>

<p>[Cuse, all police officers are tased as a matter of policy before they're allowed to carry TASERs. You were right only most = all.]</p>

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What law did he break? Name the law.

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<p>Disturbing the peace: Lets not forget he jumped to the front of the line, cutting everyone off, and began speaking for two minutes. The disturbing the peace DID NOT come from asking the question, it came from when he made a huge scene when they tried to take him out.</p>

<p>Resisting arrest (when he was escorted out)</p>

<p>Assault on an officer (when he pushed officers)</p>

<p>FROM A STUDENT WHO WAS THERE:
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The video doesn’t show it, but he wasn’t even supposed to be speaking. He was still in one of the question lines when the announcer said there was only time for 1 more. This guy got mad and ran for one of the unused microphones and interrupted the guy whose turn it was to ask, screaming about why he should be heard and that Kerry has lied all day, blah blah blah. The cops tried to escort him out, but Kerry told them to let him stay. He resisted again the second time they tried to remove him, and that’s what all the videos show. I was sitting a few rows away from him.

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<p>My money is eddyx77=the tasered kid</p>

<p>"don't tase me bro, don't tase me.....GYEAAAA"</p>

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Here's a newsflash from the University of Florida: Two of the officers involved in the incident have been put on leave.

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<p>As is standard policy in these type incidents. </p>

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And don't give my any BS about this kid being armed, he was wearing a T shirt and holding his hands up in the air to show that he was not violent.

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<p>Right, he wasn't armed which is why he was tased. If he was armed, he would have been SHOT. </p>

<p>He was violent, however, in the manner in which he resisted arrest. </p>

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What law did he break? Name the law.

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<p>Well, according to CNN-</p>

<p>Meyer was arrested on charges of resisting an officer and disturbing the peace, according to Alachua County jail records, but the State Attorney's Office had yet to make the formal charging decision. Police recommended charges of resisting arrest with violence, a felony, and disturbing the peace and interfering with school administrative functions, a misdemeanor.</p>

<p>-he broke several (source: <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered.ap/index.html#cnnSTCText%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered.ap/index.html#cnnSTCText&lt;/a> )</p>

<p>Turns out this guy liked to film his own practical jokes. Guess the joke is on him this time...</p>

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<p>"He disturbed the peace by going over his time limit of one minute"</p>

<p>Going over your time limit constitutes BREAKING THE LAW? Are you seriously this delusional? </p>

<p>LaxAttack and Cuse0705, you have both demonstrated that you enjoy watching other human beings suffer. You mock someone who is in pain and encourage others to do the same. Well, I'm sorry, but I DON'T enjoy watching another human being getting tasered. I don't feel like a 'big man" for saying, "yeah, git em", or "he got what he deserved". You two are both shallow and soulless, and as I have previously mentioned, you are VERY cowardly. You respect this kind of brutality because you two would NEVER be in the position of questioning any kind of authority; you blindly accept it, and as a result you hate and fear any one else who is not so blind as you.</p>

<p>The bottom line is this: he did not threaten anyone, nor did any of his speech constitute a danger to any other person in the room in ANY way. Therefore, his statements were protected under the first amendment of the united states.</p>

<p>And for the record, the ENTIRE incident is captured on tape from multiple angles (starting with his very first question). When the police grabbed him he tried to leave, he repeatedly stated that he would leave if they would let him go. He was being arrested, not escorted, hence the production of handcuffs withing the first 30 seconds of the incident.</p>

<p>He was surrounded by a minimum of six police officers when he was tasered. That unconditionally constitutes excessive use of force.</p>

<p>People have died from the use of tasers. Its not something to be taken lightly.</p>

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<p>Some people just don't get it. They scream that this kid had his rights violated, but they don't care that he was abusing rights and priviledges. (Yes, there is a difference between rights and priviledges).</p>

<p>And questioning why conservatives aren't tasered is utterly stupid. Plenty of conservatives have been in similar situations. Maybe, the difference is, most conservatives take the position of working "Within the system" to make change. While liberals generally take the position of fighting from "Outside the system".</p>

<p>A normal, non-sensationalist, person wouldn't have acted like this butthead did. They would have followed the rules of the forum. They would have asked their question within the 60 second time frame, and they would have moved on. If directed by the moderator or university police that their "Priviledge" to speak at the forum had expired, they would have stopped and walked away. if they felt that they had a lot more to say, they could go outside on the street and continue their "Right" to free speech and tried pursuading listeners as they left.</p>

<p>Nope, this bone head got everything he deserved. Remember, this forum was not a place to exercise his 1st amendment "right". It was a place where he "MIGHT" have the "priviledge" to ask a question within certain rules of acceptance. Simply put; he BROKE the rules of acceptance; his "Priviledge" was revoked; he refused to allow the remaining participants their "Right" to peacefully assemble; he was then asked to leave voluntarily; he refused that request and was then physically escorted; at which time he physically resisted; where he was then "Arrested"; which he also resisted with physical response; and was then subdued by a taser.</p>

<p>So, what part of this, and the fact they he screwed up because he doesn't understand the law, rights, priviledges, etc... do you not understand?</p>

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LaxAttack and Cuse0705, you have both demonstrated that you enjoy watching other human beings suffer.

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<p>Not human beings-only this guy. And you have demonstrated that you are ignorant about how the law works.</p>

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The bottom line is this: he did not threaten anyone, nor did any of his speech constitute a danger to any other person in the room in ANY way. Therefore, his statements were protected under the first amendment of the united states.

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<p>WRONG. He broke the law; he didn't have to threaten anyone (though he did threaten the officers by resisting arrest). You don't have to threaten someone to be arrested; go do a line of coke on the hood of a police cruiser and see what happens.</p>

<p>And if you are so gung-ho about freedom of speech, how about the freedom of the other students to speak that this nutcase was infringing on? He was in line for the mike, jumped it, interrupted the student that was talking, and created a distraction that made it impossible for the other students in the room to enjoy their own freedoms.</p>

<p>Finally, freedom of speech has its limits. Go yell "fire" in a crowded movie theater and see what happens; you'll be arrested, and rightfully so.</p>

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He was being arrested, not escorted, hence the production of handcuffs withing the first 30 seconds of the incident.

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<p>He was resisting arrest. You can keep denying it all you want, but the video shows it clearly. I can't believe how people like you can ignore the blatantly obvious; you remind me of a flat-earth advocate.</p>

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He was surrounded by a minimum of six police officers when he was tasered. That unconditionally constitutes excessive use of force.

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<p>WRONG. It doesn't matter how many cops are around you-one person can still pose a threat. Look at this scumbad in FL this past weekend who shot 4 cops, killing one. Or the guy in Texas a couple of weeks ago who singlehandedly shot and killed 3 police officers in his backyard. </p>

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People have died from the use of tasers. Its not something to be taken lightly.

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<p>As stated before, officers are tased as part of their training. Sure, every once in a while things can go wrong, but that is true with anything. There would have been a greater chance of this nutjob being injured or killed if the officers had been forced to using their nightsticks to restrain him.</p>

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<p>But thats just exactly my point CUSE, he did NOT yell fire in a crowded theater. Also, I didn't see him doing any lines of coke in the video either.</p>

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<p>From this DB's website: </p>

<p>Now, you have to know this about me: I am huge Marlins fan, and a born heckler. My purpose in life is to badger, jeer, and cajole professional athletes. I have angered two other All-Star baseball players, Bobby Abreu and Odalis Perez, on separate occasions. I have booed singers that mess up the national anthem. Heck, I’ll even heckle other hecklers if I don’t care for their stuff. </p>

<p>Got *sshole written all over him....</p>

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But thats just exactly my point CUSE, he did NOT yell fire in a crowded theater. Also, I didn't see him doing any lines of coke in the video either.

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<p>Which is why he wasn't being arrested. This man broke the rules, cut the line, was yelling and disrupting the event. He was given time regardless until his microphone was cut by the event leaders, NOT the police. He was asked to leave and refused to do so. The police then moved in to escort him from the podium and out of the hall, NOT arrest him. He then proceeded to resist the police and fight back, which is what got him arrested.</p>

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<p><a href="http://www.freewebs.com/newforum/columns.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.freewebs.com/newforum/columns.htm&lt;/a> </p>

<p>Here he talks about how some evangelist infringed on his freedom by preaching in a public square and forcing him to listen. This kid went in to make a scene....guess he got what he wanted ;)</p>

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<p>"Not human beings-only this guy. And you have demonstrated that you are ignorant about how the law works."</p>

<p>Oh I see, you are all for constitutional freedoms and human treatment for all citizens EXCEPT the ones that you don't like. Do you get it? Thats called FASCISM. If you enjoy watching a human being suffer, no matter who the human being is, than you are a sick individual. I DON'T enjoy watching people suffer. Not just SOME people or MOST people, but ANY and ALL people.</p>

<p>Thats why I state without pause that you are a complete coward. You will talk the talk but when it comes down to it you will NOT defend the rights of the individuals.</p>

<p>Now lets look at your broken and twisted logic:</p>

<p>He was not being arrested, his crime was resisting arrest, all of this started when the police tried to arrest him for DOING WHAT???</p>

<p>"forced to use their nightsticks" ???</p>

<p>HE was lying on the ground with a half dozen cops on top of him. Nobody was "forced" to do anything.</p>

<p>You have been brainwashed into hatred and fear. That is the only reason why you would accept this kind of action without question.</p>

<p>And don't bother arguing with me about it, you have openly admitted it in your posts. The four posters above me (including you) have called this kid everything from "ignorant" to "radical". Do any of you know this person? Did any of you actually watch the incident in full? </p>

<p>The entire amount of time that this student spent at the microphone was LESS THAN TWO MINUTES. Not once during that time did he engage in speech that could be considered dangerous to anyone in the room (that includes "yelling fire in a crowded theater" kind of speech). He had committed NO CRIME when the police descended on him.</p>

<p>Get your heads around that. If any of you here actually believed in the first amendment you would not support the actions of the UF police. You are hypocrites of the highest order.</p>

<p>Rights are supposed to apply to ALL Citizens, not just the ones that you like.</p>

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<p>LaxAttack</p>

<p>Was the evangelist tasered by the police? That when bearing does that have on this situation?</p>

<p>You both engage in character assassinations to justify your pro-police brutality stance, which proves my above point completely. You don't actually care about individual rights, all you care about is who YOU DEEM to be worthy of them. THAT IS FASCISM, plain and simple.</p>

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<p>put on your tinfoil hat eddy, "the man" is watching</p>

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<p>^^^ thats the best response you can come up with? </p>

<p>I guess you've given up on trying to make up a rational response to justify your support of police brutality. I don't blame you.</p>

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<p>You're right Eddy, he hadn't committed a crime when he got to the microphone. He had only violated the rules of the forum and for that reason, he was being escorted by the police. He did not commit a crime with his speech. He committed a crime by shoving several police officers and generally causing an incident.</p>

<p>Best solution for the situation, reasonably implemented with proper warning. He sacrificed his rights the moment he disrespected and violated the forum policies.</p>

<p>Part 1: Meyer breaks rules by cutting in line and going over his time limit. When he is being led from the auditorium by two police officers who have NOT produced handcuffs for breaking those rules, he begins to resist. LaxAttack already showed a first-hand account of what happened before the video and we can audibly hear the students cheering when the police go to remove the man.</p>

<p>Part 2: After pulling away from several officers, which could have resulted in his own injury or the injury of the officers, additional police officers arrive to assist in subduing the now violent Meyer. He pulls away and continues to struggle with officers. </p>

<p>Part 3: He is told numerous times to stop resisting, if he can hear it over his own shouting. He is held down for at least 30 seconds and told to stop resisting, during this time it is clear from the video that he is continuing to resist the officers.</p>

<p>Part 4: After he is tased, he is walked out and is no longer struggling with the police. </p>

<p>I've watched the video numerous times. I don't think anyone here has accepted the tasing "without question." Simply saying that those who disagree with you either have ignored the evidence, are brainwashed, or are simply sociopathic, is a little disconcerting. You even ignored LaxAttack's point about the evangelist on campus. That article, written by Meyer, shows a disrespect for other people's rights. This disrespect was shown again in the video.</p>

<p>The TASER was definitely the best solution for subduing him after his felony-level resistance. No one was injured and no one was illegally arrested. In most cases, being tased has fewer long term effects than knocking back a few too many brews and having a hangover. No less-than-lethal weapon is perfect but this was the right weapon at the right time.</p>

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<p>BRO BRO BRO</p>

<p>THIS IS OUR GENERATION'S CHE GUEVARRA!</p>

<p>SIQ!!!! </p>

<p>It isn't anything close to fascism and the fact that you are comparing the two shows us how completely ignorant you are. Fascism ended with the attempted extermination of a race, bodies being pushed around in bulldozers, young children being killed in gas chambers. </p>

<p>This was a kid who broke the rules of the forum, was asked to leave, and felt the need to cause a scene. He deserved every last volt that surged through his body.</p>

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<p>Visirale</p>

<p>I never compared the situation here to Nazi Germany in any way. The fact that you equate fascism with Nazi Germany shows just how little you know about the subject. There have been many different kinds of fascist governments throughout history and I don't doubt that there will be more in the future. </p>

<p>And finally, for the LAST TIME, this kid repeatedly offered to leave when the police were arresting him. He was not trying to cause a scene in any other way than that he was TRYING TO LEAVE. </p>

<p>Why do you feel this compulsive urge to argue about things that you clearly know very little about?</p>

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<p>Ninja of Love,</p>

<p>Tazers are not harmless little toys to be used without discretion. This student was not only not a threat to anyone around him, but he was ALREADY SUBDUED when he was tazered. </p>

<p>People have died from being tazered. Don't dismiss that as unimportant. There was absolutely NO REASON to endanger this persons life.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.alternet.org/rights/44455/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.alternet.org/rights/44455/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://effectmeasure.blogspot.com/2005/02/another-taser-death.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://effectmeasure.blogspot.com/2005/02/another-taser-death.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>