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And finally, for the LAST TIME, this kid repeatedly offered to leave when the police were arresting him.
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<p>This is the dumbest thing I've heard today. Like you can dictate terms to the police. </p>
<p>Officer: "hey, you, looting that store, stop!"</p>
<p>Me: "Oh, hey man, sorry about this.....lemme go put these back and I'll be right out"</p>
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People have died from being tazered. Don't dismiss that as unimportant. There was absolutely NO REASON to endanger this persons life.
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<p>More police have died when people resisted arrest....</p>
<p>I never said you can dictate terms to the police. </p>
<p>You keep changing your argument because it doesn't have a leg to stand on.</p>
<p>I was simply responding to the statement that he chose to make a scene by refusing to leave, which was a claim made several times on this thread. Its not true.</p>
<p>Why can't you stick to one argument?</p>
<p>LaxAttack,</p>
<p>Answer this question that I have been asking OVER AND OVER AND OVER.</p>
<p>How was this kid a threat to the safety of anyone in any way? </p>
<p>You're logic is so flawed, its just unbelievable. They actually tasered him, thats not a hypothetical. They actually used a weapon against him that has been known to kill people.</p>
<p>You defend that by claiming that his presence was more of a threat to the six police officers on the scene?</p>
<p>He had his hands up in the air from the first moment they approached him, and he was ALREADY subdued on the ground when the police used this weapon on him.</p>
<p>There was no reason for Meyer to treat the officers with such disrespect. He showed no regard for their safety when he attempted to pull away from them, shoved them, and flailed wildly. TASER deaths are rare and unfortunate. The courts have dismissed several lawsuits against TASER International for wrongful death.</p>
<p>No less-than-lethal weapon is perfect but until a government or NGO inquiry shows that TASERs are an unreasonable threat to the public's safety, I have no problem with them. My school resource officer carries one and I'd much rather have him pull that on me than mace or his service pistol.</p>
<p>Why would the police allow him to stand up and leave after he had committed several crimes? That's almost like saying, "Oh, no, I'll just put it back." when caught shoplifting. He assaulted several cops and continued to resist despite being mostly pinned to the floor. He was warned to stop resisting multiple times and did not. He brought it upon himself at every step and the police only met his actions with proportionate responses.</p>
<p>The thing is the officers don't know if he's a threat. They haven't had time to cuff him and search him to confirm he is or isn't a threat....until they can do this they have to assume he's a threat. They couldn't get the cuffs on him, he kept squirming and moving his hands. He was warned....WARNED,what would happen if he didn't stop resisting. Got what he had coming to him if you ask me....</p>
<p>He asked to leave long before he was thrown to the ground, and he not committed ONE SINGLE crime, let alone several.</p>
<p>And that fact that you would rather have a taser pulled on you than a pistol is not much of an argument. I would rather be bitten by a dog than a shark, but I'd really rather not be bitten by anything at all.</p>
<p>There was a really simple, obvious alternative that doesn't fit into you "should be shoot him or just taser him?" scenario, which is to use no deadly or sometimes-albeit-very-rarely-deadly force at all.</p>
<p>What does it matter if they have searched him when he is being held down on the ground by six cops?</p>
<p>Like I said, he was wearing a tshirt and jeans, I don't buy this "he could have been packing a rocket launcher in his tube sock" BS.</p>
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<p>What don't you get? Making a scene in a public place is disturbing the peace...you do realize this right? That is the textbook definition of disturbing the peace....</p>
<p>Making a scene to you constitutes asking questions at a forum for less than two minutes?</p>
<p>Did he threaten anyone in any way? NO</p>
<p>Did he use profanity? NO</p>
<p>Is freedom of speech protected under the constitution/ Apparently not if you ask LaxAttack</p>
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Making a scene to you constitutes asking questions at a forum for less than two minutes?
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<p>I was talking about when he started screaming/pushing officers. You do realize he wasn't arrested until AFTER he did this.</p>
<p>Yes, of course, because he didn't resist arrest until after the officers tried to arrest him but they were only trying to arrest him for resisting arrest.</p>
<p>Oh but wait, they WEREN'T trying to arrest him at all, they were just trying to escort him out, but he chose to make a scene by saying he would leave, which constitutes resisting arrest, because you clearly can't dictate to the police what happens to you when you are being arrested.</p>
<p>Just keep repeating your arguments to yourself until your head explodes.</p>
<p>nvm...I've come to conclude that you are either flame are very retarded. You insist some unknown kid, who could be carrying a knife, a gun, who knows what, isn't a threat to police. You insist he has the right to push police officers, scream in a public forum, break every rule of the forum, and then get away with it. Furthermore your argument is just restating basic words over and over: fascist, police state, fascist, brutality, 1st ammendment, police state, brutality, fascist. </p>
<p>You fail to grasp the concept of the rule of law. You are probably just some hippy bandwagon jumper who thinks they are being "different" and "revolutionary" with their Che shirt and Impeach Bush bumper sticker. Nice try, but your inability to think through the facts and come to a logical conclusion is blinded by your inate ability to lash out at society, "the man", and "the state" whenever you can. I'll leave you hear to spout your incoherent BS and we can all sit back and laugh as you make a fool of yourself. Good Day :)</p>
<p>Yeah, I'm with Lax. The police are probably not going to be disciplined and I'm getting a little tired of the lack of coherent debate.</p>
<p>Che was a murderer.</p>
<p>here come the ad hominem attacks. Yes, you have come to the conclusion that your argument is flawed and that it cannot stand up to criticism, so you have decided to do the noble thing and attack me personally.</p>
<p>And yes, I am one of those "crazy hippy Che loving 9???) loons" who believes that a college student who has not committed a crime is NOT a threat to police and does NOT deserve to have a potentially deadly weapon used against him.</p>
<p>To clear up the "escorting him out" nonsense: Within TEN SECONDS of being grabbed by the police he asks, "what are you arresting me for?"</p>
<p>This is sick. The police need to be punished in a similar manner. :p</p>