any advice about lesser known UC/CSU film schools? UCSC vs. CSUN vs. CSUMB vs. HSU

<p>Hi everyone,</p>

<p>I've been a longtime lurker here, but this will be my first post. I am looking to transfer to a UC/CSU film program from a CCC. I'm a dual citizen, have blotchy complicated foreign academic records, am about to turn 30, and female. I already know that UCLA and USC are the best out there, but given my stats I'm aiming (a lot) lower.</p>

<p>The programs I am interested in I have barely seen being discussed on this site, but I'm hoping there are people around who could provide some insight into the programs I am looking at, and how they compare or are perceived in the workforce or by grad schools.</p>

<p>Since I am quite a bit older than the average BA student, it would also be nice to not feel completely isolated from the rest of the student body, so I am also wondering how many non-traditional students can be found in these programs/schools or how accepting the younger ones are of older students).</p>

<p>I live down the street from CSUN, so that would be the most practical choice, but truth be told, I would love to move elsewhere. I have lived in cities my whole life, but am a scuba diving, horseback riding, redwood tree-hugger at heart. Any advice for someone like me?</p>

<p>I am currently hoping I can get into UCSC, while getting denied by CSUN, so I can use that excuse to leave LA Wink
California State University - Monterey Bay (CSUMB) and Humboldt State University (HSU) are my fallback plans if UCSC and CSUN don't accept me. So I'm essentially weighing the following choices:</p>

<p>A) UCSC: BA Film and Digital Media
VS
CSUN : BA Cinema and Television Arts - Multimedia option</p>

<p>B) CSUMB : BA Teledramatic Arts and Technology
VS
HSU : BA Theater and Film - Film Production with a minor in Scientifc Diving</p>

<p>Welcome to you, NRK,
I’ll bet that after the holiday weekend some other CC folks chime in. </p>

<p>It would help to know what your ultimate goal is. That said, I’ll share what I know about the programs. A friend’s 23 yo son recently graduated from UCSC and very much liked it. He’s working as a freelance videographer, just starting out. I believe that UCSC is generally an under-rated program and university. CSUN us a pretty decent program with connections to the industry. I dont know anything about the program at HSU, but it, too, is generally an under-rated school, in my opinion. </p>

<p>It sounds like your outside interests would mesh wonderfully with either SCSC or HSU. Have you seen those campuses? They are both gorgeous, forested, coastal, counter-culture havens. You’d probably love the atmospheres. </p>

<p>If scientific diving as a minor offered an alternate career path/job prospects, that might be a smart move. As I said, much depends on your actual career goals versus priority being a wish to have the most fun/best fit at college. </p>

<p>Best of luck!</p>

<p>^pardon the iPhone Typos: “is” not us and “…either UCSC or HSU.”</p>

<p>Hi Gladiatorbird!,</p>

<p>Thank you so much for taking the time to respond. I really appreciate it a lot, and hope you are right about the other CC’s out there. Unfortunately, I wrote a lengthy response but the post got tossed when CC asked me to login. UGH. It was ridiculously long, so I’ll take the opportunity to keep it a little more manageable this time around. EDIT: I guess I failed at keeping it short again. Apologies in advance! </p>

<p>In response to your question about my precise long-term/career goals, I have to admit that it’s something I don’t really have a definitive answer for at this point. I have always struggled with having too many different interests, skills and experience, which is not necessarily bad but it complicates life a lot. I was on a pretty decent track to getting to where I (thought) I wanted to be when my grandfather passed away 3 years ago and I dropped everything to care for my grandmother, who suffered from Parkinson’s. She passed away recently, and I’m still a bit shell-shocked and coupled with that big 30 around the corner, wondering where my life went and where to go from here. I don’t regret putting her needs above mine, but I feel like I’m a million miles away from something I was once so close to. I’m using this as an opportunity to reevaluate my goals and ambitions and am looking at life from a different perspective. I was extremely career oriented, and somewhat a workaholic but watching someone close to you deteriorate makes you reevaluate what’s really important in life. However, in the most basic sense my goal is to complete a BA somewhere, efficient and cost-effectively so those wonderful extra-curricular opportunities really shouldn’t factor into my decision-making. I actually feel guilty even looking at things like Scuba Slugs or equestrian club, which isn’t exactly healthy as I do feel that I deserve to have an enjoyable college experience after a grim period or I wouldn’t even be looking at UCSC, CSUMB or HSU. I’ll provide some background info to help you guys get an idea of who I am and what would be the best fit/choice for me. </p>

<p>I was born and raised in Amsterdam (yes THAT place). Growing up, I spent 2-3 months every year with my grandparents, who lived in Los Angeles. I’ve always love California and wanted to live here, even before choosing a field that happens to be concentrated here. I always thought I was going to be an architect and got a scholarship for USC’s exploration of Architecture summer program when I was 16. It really opened my eyes to the realities of the profession, and having looked up to Gaudi, who had a royal family to subsidize his projects with total creative freedom, I realized I needed to find something more creative and non-restricting to do with my life. It didn’t take long for me to feel the pull towards the world of (digital) entertainment and a desire to move to LA. When I went to USC, my mom said “don’t get too comfortable because over-my-dead-body are you moving/studying there” and subsequently refused to even fill out the FAFSA forms. She graduated from UC Berkeley (Phi Beta Kappa) in 1970, that infamous year graduation ceremony was cancelled as the feds had taken to tear-gassing and shooting students on campus, so I can’t say I don’t understand where she is coming from with that sentiment. For those of you who don’t know what I’m talking about, see: <a href=“https://diva.sfsu.edu/collections/sfbatv/bundles/189806[/url]”>Riots at UC Berkeley - Bay Area Television Archive;

<p>In the Netherlands, education is structured entirely different than the US. Kids take SAT like tests in elementary school, and are given advice to attend various levels according to these test results and general intelligence as perceived by teachers. Only degrees from the highest level (VWO) grant admission to (research) universities, and you go straight into law school, med school etc. One step lower grants admission to Universities of Applied Science, must are more like trade schools than universities. All art and film degrees are at this level. There is no GE in college that is something part of high school education. Having completed VWO, I did 6 years of English and Dutch, 5 years of German, French and Latin, and 3 years of Greek as well as many years of Math, Chemistry, Physics, History, Art etc. etc. 10 (A) is seldom (< 0.5%) given as a perfect score is an unattainable ideal, and even a 9 (B) is not common. College admission anywhere is guaranteed if you get that diploma, save for art schools requiring portfolio review. Being a socialist country, basically every college class is a group effort that is graded as a group. I have horror stories to tell as far as group projects go that I won’t burden you guys with, but it really destroyed my motivation having to do work for 4 people or everyone being happy to get a barely passing 6 (C). </p>

<p>Having done such an intense high school curriculum I had to give up on most of my hobbies/EC’s. I also don’t think an 18 year old, however smart should have to decide what to do with their life at that point. While some people know, I think it’s crazy to expect that of students. If you end up changing programs none of the units will transfer unless the courses are identical. Every course is a major course with little room for electives. The first program I started was called Design for Virtual Theater and Games, at a Dutch Art Academy school of Theater. That program was very vague and didn’t teach what I felt I needed to learn. It was more or a “here’s 2 months to create whatever you want, with students who then brainstorm to think of things they can get done in 1 month and have a vacation. It really was that bad and it actually doesn’t exist anymore. I applied to the Dutch Film academy for Interactive Multimedia and Visual Effects, which is a very selective school but an unknown program. I got in based on my Art portfolio, but for the year after the following, as they wanted me to learn to work with Maya first. I should have known then that it makes no sense to go to a school that requires you to know your stuff before you go, but the prestige factor made me overlook that and I used money saved to spend the year at Gnomon School of Visual Effects learning Maya, before heading back to Amsterdam. </p>

<p>They didn’t expect me to come back, and I didn’t want to either. However, at this point I was 21, and wanted to get at least that Bachelors and going back to Amsterdam seemed like the only way with my HS grades and lack of Financial Aid. Officially that first year all classes are the same and everyone takes classes in Screenwriting, Editing, Sound design, Production Design, Producing, and Directing. With a few specialization classes but as soon as I started I was tutoring seniors and working on their projects, and the prospect of spending 3 years working behind a PC doing whatever one of the director students needs done is not much of an education. I should be getting paid to that not paying for the privilege. I also realized that I was interested in too many different things and too social to be so specialized or to be stuck behind a PC 24/7. Furthermore, from my own experience I know all too well how little a degree matters for film production or artistic work in general as talent and experience weigh more heavily. If art school can’t teach me art, I’m better of getting a degree in something “practical”, so I pursued a BSc in Information, Multimedia and Management (part-time) at the university instead and worked throughout. While I learned useful things in that program, it was very dry material and it was hair pulling for the most part, especially dealing with the abovementioned group grading issues and people refusing to work but this being study nr. 3 I was gung-ho on sticking it out and did until my grandfather passed away. </p>

<p>My first paying job was doing voice acting from 14-18. At 19 I got a job as a 2nd AD on a popular Dutch TV-show. When I was at Gnomon I got hired by an elite boutique VFX company in Hollywood to do 3d compositing and animation on a WB-series, and I volunteered for the VFX society. I have also worked as an editor for a Dutch corporate film company, and as an assistant to a documentary film producer. I was a team captain (project manager) for Rutger Hauer’s Filmmaking Masterclass and worked as an AD on a Dutch feature film. I feel very fortunate for having had the ability to sample so many different jobs, but it is also making it more difficult to focus on one career path. Recently, I’ve been doing a lot of non-paying editing work and am updating the website of a dive shop in exchange for free classes. Diving seems like a great 2nd weekend/side job to have, and speaking multiple languages I could spend a season teaching it in some tropical location, but I’d also be happy keeping it as a hobby if I can afford that. One of the reasons the program at Santa Cruz is appealing is because it is a BA in Film AND Digital media, which gives me the opportunity to pursue both career paths. When I look at job postings they all ask for relevant bachelors degrees, so I figure that a BA in Film and Digital Media will limit me less. Superficially, I’d be inclined to go with a UC (if I get in) over a CSU in a heartbeat regardless of major but I know that isn’t the smartest way to look at it. My mom being a CAL alum, my grandmother and uncle UCLA alums, and Aunt a Slug, it would be a bonus to be able to join the rest of the family. UCLA is out of reach unfortunately, and I’m not sure UCSC accepts me as it depends on which units they consider transferrable. I just might end up exceeding the 89 unit transfer limit. </p>

<p>CSUN: I discovered their program thanks to CC forums. It seems to be the hidden gem of LA area CSU film schools, and when I was looking for ways to finish my degree while caring for my grandmother, that program seemed to be my only real option, so I’ve complete the prereqs for both Film Production (editing) and Multimedia options. I’d be inclined to go with multimedia, as the sequential nature of the production program would means it would take longer to complete my degree. Benefit of CSUN is its proximity to my current home and the wealth of networking, internship, and job opportunities. However, now that I have no family left here, it is feeling a lot less like home and more like a concrete traffic filled jungle, and I’m constantly reminded of the past. </p>

<p>UCSC: This school seems like a dream place for someone who loves hiking, camping, horseback riding, scuba diving (and marches to their own beat). I haven’t toured the campus yet but am very familiar with the area. After having traveled the entire stretch of the California coast, I decided Big Sur to Mendocino is by far the most gorgeous area in this State, and Santa Cruz is in the middle. Aside from my aunt and her husband, a friend of my mom studied at UCSC early-mid seventies. Her friend has been very helpful and provided various people I could rent rooms from and stay during a campus visit. She took 8 years to finish because she didn’t want to leave, was friends with the guy that started the camper park by living out of his VW bus on the lot, as well as the guy that started the organic farm at UCSC. I’ve heard the most amazing and bizar stories of what went on at that place back then. It is difficult to base my view on theirs as so much has changed and it isn’t the counter-culture haven it used to be. My biggest concern is its remote location. Does your friend’s son still live in Santa Cruz (county) or did he move after he finished? Did he have any internships while in school? While Silicon Valley is on the other side of the hill I’d expect that commuting would be a nightmare. Or is it doable if you live in the Felton/Scotts Valley area?</p>

<p>CSUMB/HSU: These are my last-resort options if neither CSUN nor UCSC accept me. HSU seems like a good place to forget about the cruel world for a while, while studying film in a more intimate setting. I stumbled upon the place literally when I took my mom on a trip up north this summer. We had never been north of Eureka and are both redwood huggers, so we camped in Redwood NP for a week. While absolutely gorgeous and inspiring location for a film major, the remoteness of it scares me a bit. The climate is also reminiscent of Amsterdam, which is not a good thing; it’s very wet and cold most of the year. I can happily hide out there for a while and cost of living is really low compared to the rest of the state, but I highly doubt there are relevant jobs/internships up there. I have also heard nothing of either school’s film programs, so I’m really hoping there are some CC’s who can provide insight. The program at HSU, combined with the Diving minor (Recreational or Scientific) they offer makes the school more appealing than CSUMB, but CSUMB is a lot less remote and a lot warmer/sunnier. Monterey Bay COL worries me though. Actually all of the bay-area is considerably more expensive than the already expensive LA area. I really want to complete my Bachelors degree but worry that neither school will mean anything or improve my chances for employment and that I should just forget about completing my degree altogether.</p>

<p>So sorry about the typos and the crazy long post! <em>Hangs head in shame</em></p>

<p>I meant 10 = (A) and extremely rare, 8 not 9 = (B) and is not so common, 6 = C, which is most common, as is a 7. Since I revealed a bunch of personal information, maybe someone could chime in and give me an idea of what my admission chances are for the schools I mentioned. Basically my GPA of Dutch (hard-science) University classes is just under a 7, which using the conversion of 7/10*4 = 2.8 GPA. Dutch government agency says a 7 equals a B+ in the US, but I’m assuming admissions won’t look at that, and I’m looking at a 3.3 CCC GPA, which is less than stellar, with the lame excuse that I was dealing with my grandmother’s care, her subsequent death and personal depression. So, I am guestimating that my overal UC-transferrable GPA will be in the 3.0-3.1 range. Anyone care to chance me?</p>

<p>I think your story is compelling. You have a lot of experience in the field, and you come across as a mature individual who wants to further your education. When you write your essays let your passion and experience shine through. I think your grades will matter less than your enthusiasm and your maturity coupled with your extensive experience. If asked, explain the grades. If not, I would play up all you have done and your passion for what you want to do. I think you will have more than one offer of admission.</p>

<p>Maddenmd,</p>

<p>Thank you for your kind words of encouragement, not to mention taking the time to read my lengthy post. As wonderful as the wealth of information on CC is, it is a bit disheartening seeing so many academically and artistically talented students (like your son) with amazing experiences and EC’s to boot. </p>

<p>I also have no idea what to expect of the application procedure, or how my application will be reviewed exactly. You mention that I shouldn’t talk about my bad grades unless they ask. I figured I would have to discuss that in the essays or such. Since I put it all out there in the above post, I am wondering what I should and should not mention. The three CSU applications don’t nearly scare me as much as UCSC, especially now that I found out that I am invited to stay with someone who works in the Digital Arts and New Media MFA department during my campus visit, who also happens to have a bad knee and a horse in his backyard in need of TLC. UCSC just became the dreamiest of dreamy. </p>

<p>Since the schools also require high school transcripts for transfer students, do they look at GPA or just want to see what you studied? I’ve always been pretty bad with languages beyond dutch and english, but good in Art (practice and history), geography, history, math. Are they going to see that it takes more than half a brain to study 4 spoken languages, and two ancient ones simultaneously in addition to everything else, regardless of grades? Or will they take into account consistent 10’s (A+) for Art, solid grades in math, humanities etc. but crummy grades for french, latin, chemistry, biology, and horrendous ones for ancient greek as well? </p>

<p>Also wondering what else should be mentioned/discussed in the application essays. Haven’t spent much time on myself recently and I’m sure recent things weigh more heavily than ancient ones. Am I supposed to discuss anything from high school EC’s or upbringing like theater clubs, school newspaper layout design, competitive figure skating, my dad dying when I was 8? What about having traveled across 24 (soon to be 26) countries on four continents in my youngish 29 years of existence? Active hobbies like scuba diving, horseback riding etc?</p>

<p>Spooky fun fact: I had a dream that my dad was going to mysteriously disappear and was hysterical all of the following day. That night we heard that he inexplicably dropped dead. Also, my first ever boyfriend (a classmate) died in a fluke accident. I was 14 and starting my second year of high-school :(</p>

<p>Wouldn’t say that I had the easiest life, but compared to the homeless/abandoned/raised-by-a-junky kids, who still managed to maintain good good grades in school, my issues pale in comparison and I feel they should not be used as an excuse for poor grades.</p>

<p>I’m with maddenmd. Your storytelling abilities shine through even in CC postings. UCSC sounds like a great fit. You could be an appealing applicant–someone who brings something unique, and a different perspective, to the table. Don’t worry about the younger, more conventional applicants; be yourself, go for it, tell your story, shine.
Best of luck!</p>

<p>My advice: write them a compelling story: tell about you as though you are writing a screenplay or a novel or a short story- Tell the story that shows who you are
tell it in your own voice
if you’ve overcome adversity that makes a great story
be humble
be truthful
write the best of yourself- let your accomplishments shine
show you are a team player
show your love and passion for your chosen field
DONT dwell on your shortcomings: this is your one and only chance to show how dynamic and interesting you are- but if some adversity made you stronger, you can tell that story
Be sure to show them who you are now- and why you would be a great addition.
SHOW don’t tell. Example: Don’t say “I am a great cinematographer”. Say something like: when I look through the lens of a camera, the world becomes clearer to me. The images in my mind become… Let the story show who you are.
Don’t describe yourself, just tell a great story of something that happened and how it changed you for the better.</p>

<p>Thank you for your words of encouragement, gladiatorbird!
Trying to compare myself with others when I don’t fit the mold is indeed not the smartest thing to do. Although, I’ll probably have to keep reminding myself of that ever so often to stay sane in this process as every time I look up (official) information none of it seems to apply to me. Is there really no one like me?! :wink: </p>

<p>Maddenmd, I can’t thank you enough for taking the time to give me some great advice on what (not) to say. I’ll be sure to put your words into practice as it makes perfect sense.</p>

<p>Op, I know people who have gone to UCSC and Humbolt State (neither in film) and they loved their experiences. Regarding other film schools: a quick google search shows Sonoma State which might qualify for your less-urban feel. Since you are keeping suburban CSUN in the mix, you might consider SFSU, CSULB, CSLA. There are some private - less academic - places like Brooks Institute, which I hear is pricey.</p>

<p>As an unconventional student, the schools will probably look at you more holistically like private schools do, rather than what most Cal State University system schools do for the just graduated…run the GPA and SATs thru the computer and let the computer decide. So don’t lose hope. Also, with your unusual story and ability to tell a story, you probably could consider applying to schools such at Loyola Marymount University, Chapman, Cal Arts.</p>

<p>There are places to live in Santa Cruz; I know 2 different people who live there. Scotts Valley may be doable, but Silicon Valley is probably too far. The traffic over the mountains HWY 17/880 can be very bad.</p>

<p>Maddenmd is right, your experiences and maturity will get you admitted many places, don’t sell yourself short on that. Given that, what do the finances look like? You already know a BA isn’t necessary for entry level below the line work in the industry, so what is the goal of your degree to improve contacts, move up the line? Sounds like you already know you don’t want to be married to a computer.
Your CC grades are probably the only grades that matter for admission, how good are they? YoHoYoHo mentions LMU, Chapman, Cal Arts, all great ideas, but you might not get it done in 2 years. Do you have any college debt, you really should avoid a lot more, or when you get done you could be forced to go back to doing what you are doing just to pay it off. Try the cost of attendance calculators, but I’m not sure they handle unique students like you, they are more geared for traditional Freshman entrants.</p>

<p>YoHoYoHo and Jtmoney, thank you for chiming in and sharing your knowledge! </p>

<p>I am familiar with all the schools you mention except for Brooks Institute, but after a quick google search I realized that it was a for-profit school with BFA programs, which is indeed way too costly (in time and money). As Jtmoney points out, it is not smart to go into (massive) debt for a Bachelors in film/digital media as it won’t exactly guarantee a R.O.I. I struggle to leave the past in the past, and as such simply would be a lot happier mentally if I could finish my degree after so many years of blood sweat and tears or I would’ve forgotten about the whole thing a long time ago. Furthermore, IN THIS ECONOMY having that degree has become a basic qualifier to narrow the massive pool of applicants to a manageable size and despite my experience I have had little luck finding paying work recently. Yes, it can be done, but I don’t like having to bank on the “well if Bill Gates dropped out…” analogy. I took out some loans for my Dutch schooling, but the interest and terms are nothing like they are here. Also, being older and without a trust-fund waiting for me, I see how dangerous debt is and want to avoid accruing anymore if I can. The overall cost of time and money needed to complete my degree is definitely going to factor heavily into my decision-making. </p>

<p>The BFA vs BA debate: BFA programs are very specialized and not offered at public schools, so transferring credit will be more difficult, and finishing my degree will undoubtedly take longer. Also, having studied in BFA type schools (Dutch Art Academies) and through work/life experience I have come to realize that I am better suited for production management/producing roles versus the art or technical side. I have both generalist and specialist knowledge on both ends of the spectrum and feel that it is imperative -yet often not the case- for a manager to understand the nuts and bolts of things. Ultimately, I feel a BA program is better suited for my long-term goals, not to mention budget.</p>

<ul>
<li><p>CalArts: I know some very talented people who studied there (still paying off loans), and had been drooling over the school when I was still in my teens. Nice to hear you say I have a shot at admission though as it is not much less competitive than USC or UCLA, but the BFA programs have a 2 year residency requirement, which would add unnecessary $$$.</p></li>
<li><p>LMU & Chapman: I have heard/read great things about these schools, but I have no intention of moving to Orange County, and while I love LMU’s program and setting, the area is extremely expensive to live or crummy and not so safe. Sure I love Marina Del Rey and Venice, and actually spent a summer living on a boat in the harbor, but who can afford that?! </p></li>
</ul>

<p>Furthermore, I am not really comfortable with the schools’ religious affiliations (I was raised as a non-religious Jew). For some reason, all my direct family members have an adversity to religious practice, while I have extremely religious extended relatives; Orthodox Jews on one side and Orthodox Protestants on the other. My last university had Calvanist roots, and while officially not practiced it was very apparent to me in many ways, especially the way the school is run. I highly respect the religious beliefs of others, but much prefer attending a college that has no religious affiliation myself. LMU’s “This Catholic identity and religious heritage distinguish LMU from other universities and provide touchstones for understanding our threefold mission” and Chapman’s affiliation with the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) are simply not for me.</p>

<p>Cal State Schools:</p>

<p>UCSC/HSU: These are the only schools I can actually expect some assistance for from my mom. She’s near retirement age and does not have unlimited funds, so she cannot help much and I really don’t want to strain her minimal resources if I can help it. In hindsight, she realizes that forcing me to stay in Amsterdam was not the best thing for me, and together with having dropped my life to care for her mom, she really wants to help the best she can. But, being the overprotective mother she is, she is not o.k. with me living in an unsafe pit somewhere and wants to prevents me from “settling” for a CalState if I can. </p>

<p>She was pretty upset when I told her I intended to go to a Community College as she has many times before told me “no-child-of-mine is going to such a lowly place!”. I would never call it lowly and enjoy (most of) my classes and caring professors, but it indeed not the most (intellectually) stimulating place to be. She pretty much looks down on CSU’s too and thinks its beneath me. If it is up to her I’d be going to UCSC if I get in (regardless of cost) as she feels it is the perfect school and location for me. She is o.k. with HSU as a backup “safety” school as she loves its location as well (except for its remoteness as I would essentially have to drive 5,5 hours to/from SF airport whenever she comes to visit), and CSUN as it provides more opportunity to get a paying job during/after, and I could attend part-time and work if need be. </p>

<ul>
<li><p>CSULA: offers a B.A. in Television, Film and Media Studies and I am trying to stay away from BA in (insert any) Studies programs. It is also located in the pits of this already pitiful place and commuting would be an undoable nightmare. </p></li>
<li><p>CSULB: Read nice things about the program but the school is impacted, not to mention located in South-bay, which either means living in the pits, doing an ungodly commute, or paying $$$$$$ to live in a nice area (haven’t won the CA lottery yet :frowning: ). </p></li>
<li><p>SFSU: This one I was actually considering applying to as I love San Francisco, but decided to say “no thank you” to actually living there. For one, COL is the worst in the country! A close friend attended Art Institute up there who put up with spending a fortune on living in a light-less basement and subsequently fearing for his life living in a crappy studio in Oakland, and this is a big dude from Mexico City. A family friend lived in Oakland’s nicer part, and I used to visit her frequently, but she never as much as let me walk to the subway alone. I haven’t had the best luck in life so far, so I really don’t want to tempt fate. </p></li>
<li><p>Sonoma State: I love the area, so I checked out the programs they offer, but couldn’t find a BA program there beyond a Film history emphasis in the History department. Which program did you find, yohoyoho?</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Edit: with regard to UCSC I meant to say regardless of cost, but within reason (not OOS or full tuition sticker price). I am still on the fence as to whether or not UC will see me as a resident for tuition purposes given my dual-nationality. I cannot imagine they’d require me to relinquish my Dutch citizenship, but realizing how finicky they are, who knows??! </p>

<p>Should worse come to worse, and both CSU and UCSC see me as non-resident then I might at least be able to handle CSUN by attending part-time as they will undoubtedly grant me the most (89 units) transfer credit and I’d be in the best location for networking and finding paying work. I am open to private schools with generous aid packages, but knowing that schools consider federal loans a resource, I probably still couldn’t afford it. My mom is vehemently against USC (the pits/rightwing), Chapman/LMU (religion), and CalArts (time/money), so any other suggestions are highly appreciated!</p>

<p>Ps. I have no idea what her issue is with USC, nor have I ever heard it being described as a right-wing school (most generous robin hood-style FA?!), but for whatever reason she really likes to “hate” on the school. Maybe she’s just trying to soften the blow of its impossible transfer situation for SCA majors… ;)</p>

<p>Jtmoney: CCC GPA will be around 3.3-3.4 over ~60 transferable units.</p>

<p>I think you are correct that degree is important, state universities will probably give you your quickest, least debt route to degree. I see the attractions of Humboldt and Santa Clara, but the contacts and internships that you need are probably in LA.
You will probably not convince your mom, but neither Chapman or LMU is overtly or suffocatingly religious. D is more agnostic than anything, and has had no issues at LMU.
The sororities will be more irritating than the Jesuits.
LMU has early non-binding admission, but I don’t know if that applies to transfers, and I don’t know how there scholarship/aid works either for transfers. Might be worth a call to admissions, but your best bet is probably to stay in the state system. Good luck, and remember that your personal waltzes, talent and perseverance are more important than the name of your school.</p>

<p>^^Yes.
And same observation here with regard to Chapman–nothing is overtly religious. At all. Son is finding the perspective there global, tolerant, accepting. And at Dodge College, things are edgy, expansive, forward-leaning, fierce, fun and iconoclastic.</p>