<p>Deferred by UNC EA then waitlisted...</p>
<p>Accepted at..</p>
<p>University of Notre Dame Class of 2010!!!</p>
<p>notredame sucks so bad its not even funny.</p>
<p>uncch > notredame</p>
<p>Congratulations Marcc - Enjoy your success !
I know a lot if students who would love to attend Notre Dame!</p>
<p>It is just a matter of opinion. I think UNC is better than Notre Dame. UNC rocks!</p>
<p>UNC is GREAT if you're an instate student.</p>
<p>I am sorry to hear that you were waitlisted at UNC. If you are OOS you are not alone. Each year there are many students accepted at Ivies like Columbia, Brown, Penn and Columbia that are regularly turned down by UNC. With only about 18 percent of the student body OOS, an admission ticket to UNC is among the hardest in the country to punch. If you consider that around 15,000 students from OOS are applying for roughly 540 spots (18% of 3000 new students) you can see why.</p>
<p>Not sure where you get "UNC is GREAT if you're an instate student" because I don't know that it makes it a difference whether you're in state or OOS other than financially and UNC is still considered one of the best buys out there even for OOS.</p>
<p>ND was the number one choice for a good friend of my son's two years ago. She was admitted EA but turned them down after visiting. Her main reasons among others were:Notre Dame still has very strict rules and regs about a lot of things involving curfews at dorms, intervisitation etc. Eighty percent of students live on campus which is an extraordinarily high number. While a very good school with a tremendously loyal alumni base, it is still a very male dominated campus despite the fact that it is now around 45 percent female students. There are many former high school athletes among the student body. Notre Dame has the only intramural full equipment tackle football league that I know of anywhere. This former/current jock mentality is quite pervasive.</p>
<p>I am not knocking the school because it is a very fine institution but thought these are a few things you need to know about ND BEFORE getting there. If that's not what you are looking for in an undergraduate experience you might want to reconsider, if so, there's probably not a better place to be. Good luck with whatever you decide.</p>
<p>Congrats about ND!! That's where I'm am probably going to go next year! Hey, and on November 4, Notre Dame plays Carolina in football, at ND! Should be a good game!</p>
<p>eadad,</p>
<p>i appreciate your post, it was very well thought out.</p>
<p>i said UNC was better for instate students for a couple reasons. first, obviously they have a better chance of getting in. the academic profile of an out of state student vs. an instate student is simply laughable. why even waste my time with Carolina when i probably could have gotten in to a lower ivy like Brown or Dartmouth? maybe i'm just bitter because i was waitlisted. further, due to the quotas, the students are primarily from North Carolina. for an out of stater (especially one from WNY!) this seems like a turn-off. </p>
<p>i'm going to be honest, North Carolina was my first choice from June until about January when I was deferred EA. it was then that i began looking at other schools. i did love UNC's campus and i thought i would not find another that even compared. i took a trip out west in february however, with my family. we visited U of Michigan and Notre Dame and I really loved both of those as well. notre dame and north carolina, although very different.. are both beautiful campuses. </p>
<p>as far as your comments about Notre Dame, the things you said that might bother other people, do not bother me. i was captain of my varsity football team this year and while i'm definitely not good enough to play division I football, the intermural league caught my attention during my tour as something very exciting. i am Catholic for what's that worth.</p>
<p>right now the only school that is still in the back of my mind is the University of Miami, simply because i could go there for free with the merit scholarship i was offered. </p>
<p>again, thanks for the input!</p>
<p>Marcc, I am OOS and accepted to both UNC and Notre Dame. I choose UNC in a blink. Not only because UNC offers top-notch academics in almost every field, but also provides awesome financial aid package to OOS.</p>
<p>Congrats on ND! I got into UNC OOS and am also going to ND! I don't want to get in a fight over which school is better because I love them both, but ND was just the better fit for me.</p>
<p>The difference in average SAT for in-state vs. out-of-state is less than 70 pts., which I don't consider to be all that great.</p>
<p>And remember that averages don't tell you anything about an individual student. Some instate students will have higher SAT scores than some OOS ones. I imagine the top of the class has a good mix of both in-state and OOS.</p>
<p>IN State and waitlisted at Carolina. I believe that Carolina has some sort of quotas that they do not disclose because my stats are much better than many of the students from our school and others throughout the state. I have a 1310 SAT (610 Verbal and 700 Math). I have a 3.70 Unweighted GPA and a 4.41 Weighted GPA. My High school is in the top 50 in the US News and World Report and is extremely competitive. I am taking 5 AP Classes and have tons of EC's and Community Service. I understand my stats are not as great as some out of state, but they are more than adequate for In State. I had great recommendations and the essays were solid. I can't seem to get an explanation as to why I was waitlisted from the admissions office and I am getting frustrated. I hope that my counselor will be able to talk some sense into the admissions people and get me off the waitlist. I got accepted in at VT and Clemson but I really expected to be accepted at Carolina. I will keep my status posted. Any help or suggestion on what steps should be taken will be greatly appreciated.</p>
<p>OOS
Deferred EA/Waitlisted</p>
<p>Probably going to Emory!</p>
<p>Waitlisted at UNC, accepted at Wesleyan, Cornell, Rice, and Vassar.</p>
<p>Marcc:</p>
<p>Your inane comments about the academic profile of in-state students vs out of state students are way off base (and, indeed--to use your term--"simply laughable"). </p>
<p>And while I have no idea why you got waitlisted, I could probably make a fairly accurate guess. Certainly, your comments here suggest they made the right decision, for which I am certainly grateful.</p>
<p>Congratulations on ND, and enjoy your time there. And don't forget to take your name off the waitlist. Please do that today if you haven't already.</p>
<p>According to USNews, UNC's average SAT score (25%-75%) is 1190-1390 with 74% of students in top 10% of class</p>
<p>ND's range is 1280-1470 with 85% of students in top 10 % of class.</p>
<p>Considering the fact that I haven't seen many if any OOS'ers post acceptances with lower than a 1400 (i'm gonna discount minorities on this one) means that their MUCH lower SAT range is because of in state students. </p>
<p>i look forward to your comments</p>
<p>Marcc:<br>
I don't know how accurate those figures are, or how current.
Regardless, and especially if no one has told you, you should be aware that acceptance to UNC is dependent on so much more than SAT scores. </p>
<p>Once again, enjoy your acceptance to ND, another fine school. And for the benefit of those accepting a place on the waitlist--and who would really like to attend UNC, please be sure and let admissions know how you feel.</p>
<p>The average SAT in 2005 for residents is 1288, while the average for non-residents is 1356.</p>
<p>logosprincipal</p>
<p>I have been a longtime lurker and am posting on CC for the first time. I really don't know why you have it, but you seem to have an agenda. You need to bring it down a notch because you are sending a message that seems like you have a chip on your shoulder or a craw in your belly about OOS students. I am sure you are well meaning but you are SO defensive ALL the time and I have noticed that some student posters have interpreted it as a level of prejudice or intolerance of OOS students within UNC, which is certainly NOT the case.</p>
<p>"The lady doth protest too much, methinks. "
William Shakespeare</p>