<p>Title pretty much explains it all...
I have a really high GPA but SAT scores on the low side (2070 one sitting, 2080 superscored)
Do I have a chance?
Also, could you tell me what it's like at the school if you've been there. S t u d e n t s R e v i e w definitely has some mixed feelings. Are you just a number? There's a lot of stuff you can't tell from a campus visit, which I have yet to go on anyway.</p>
<p>SAT is just once piece of the admissions decision. What are your other stats? I haven’t attended, so I can’t help you much with the campus life, sorry.</p>
<p>This wasn’t meant to be a chance me thread but if you really want
uw GPA: 97.7% w: 98.6%
Rank: Not really sure, school doesn’t rank. They do give out valedictorian, salutatorian and top 20. I’m definitely in the top 20, possibly salutatorian. Class of about 350? </p>
<p>Took SAT in December and Jan
Reading: 680/680
Math: 730/720
Writing: 640/670 Essay- 8 both times
2070 best sitting, 2080 superscore (ughh my SAT scores are the only thing holding me back)</p>
<p>Biology: 780
Chemistry: 760
Planning on taking Math II and US in June</p>
<p>Have taken hardest course load possible since 8th grade
Past APs: Euro-5
Current APs: Lang, US, Physics B, Chemistry (yes, I’m doubling science)
Future APs (Senior Year): Calc A/B or B/C (trying to decide if B/C would be worth the stress… especially since our beloved calc teacher is retiring this year and B/C is an extra period every other day), AP Gov (AP Econ instead if I can get it to fit), AP Lit, AP Bio</p>
<p>ECs
Vocal Jazz (9-11, Most Likely 12)
Future Educators (10,11- Currently on Executive Board (no Pres, VP, etc…) Most Likely 12)
Music Honors Society (10, 11, Most Likely 12)
Spanish Club (10, 11, Most Likely 12)
—Spanish Honors Society
Science Olympiads (9-11-Currently Secretary, Most Likely 12-Probably President)</p>
<p>Summer Stuff
CTY Rising 10th
Brown Precollege and Research at Stony Brook Rising 11th
Research at Stony Brook Rising 12th (hopefully Simons but thats a stretch)</p>
<p>Awards, etc…
Siemens Semifinalist '09-'10
High Honor Roll 9-11
We’ll see how LISEF and NYSSEF go</p>
<p>For the OOS applicants it’s more of a numbers’ game that it is for instate applicants. In all honesty it is difficult to get in OOS (the in-state/out-of-state ratio is 80/20). in terms of thinking about it not in terms of numbers, the school needs athletes, diversity, certain sat ranges etc. sometimes all of that can’t be pulled from within the state so they fulfill those needs through their out-of-state students. your stats look pretty strong! are you a junior? consider taking the SAT again maybe at the start of your senior year (scores tend to creep up over time). keep in mind strong essays can go a long way as well.</p>
<p>also. students review is typically biased … towards the negative spectrum of every single school reviewed (at least in my experience). i think that’s because the students motivated to write something on there are the ones who just want to rant about some bad experience. take that stuff with a grain of salt.</p>
<p>Check this thread out:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-north-carolina-chapel-hill/140212-decisions-stats-class-2010-a.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-north-carolina-chapel-hill/140212-decisions-stats-class-2010-a.html</a>
It gives the stats of recent admits/rejections</p>
<p>Have you considered taking the ACT? Sometimes students just do much better with it. You definitely have the math. </p>
<p>I am under the impression (no real data to back this up) that UNC really puts some emphasis on the essay. However, gc414 may be correct that numbers are important as they usually are for big state schools. You have such great grades, though, and if you have a rigorous schedule I think you stand a chance.</p>
<p>I’m taking the ACT in April. I’ve taken the SAT twice (well 3 times if you include the PSAT) and my total score hasn’t varied more than 20 pts so I think I’m going to take a break with that until October.</p>
<p>Read this summer and take the SATs again no later than November in the fall. Apply to UNC’s first deadline. Spend serious time on the application essays. My son used his long Carolina essay as his “topic of choice” Common Application essay submitted to other schools after Carolina’s November deadline. Go to the UNC admissions site and look through the archives of the blog to find a piece Steve Farmer (director of admissions) wrote about the essays, what they like, what they don’t. They only ask for one teacher letter of recommendation. Line that up early your senior year and make sure the teacher you pick knows you very well. Take hard classes your senior year and don’t plan on dropping any of them second semester. Good luck.</p>
<p>Wow smbsmom I found that essay site and it helped A LOT!</p>
<p>The acceptance rate OOS is about 20%, not including recruited athletes and full ride scholarships like Morehead-Cain.</p>
<p>Also, I’m not saying it’s healthy to spend a lot of time looking at these, but here’s the link to the OOS 1st deadline decisions thread for this year: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-north-carolina-chapel-hill/858100-official-unc-2014-decisions-thread-out-state.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-north-carolina-chapel-hill/858100-official-unc-2014-decisions-thread-out-state.html</a></p>
<p>Your scores and grades seem pretty good. But, in all honesty, if your essays aren’t too good you won’t have a chance. If you blow them away with really good essays you can get in. You also want to show them that you have leadership potential through your ECs and you want to show that your an involved student. </p>
<p>I got in this year and I only had a 1920 on the SATs. So, I’m proof that you don’t have to have extremely high sats to get in. SATs matter but, you also really need to show them that you do well in other areas outside of the classroom. It looks like you grades are pretty good. So, just spend alot of time on your essays and short answers to impress the committee.</p>
<p>^ Agree. Agree. Agree. If you’re a borderline candidate, amazing essays can get you into Chapel Hill. I was hanging onto my future acceptance letter by my fingernails, and I think my essay is what made it happen. </p>
<p>I’d also recommend that your essay highlight something that wasn’t already emphasized in your application. For me, I knew that if I didn’t write my essay about my experience with the art program at my school (4 years of classes + TA), then it would be something that would be glossed over when reviewed by the Adcoms. It was my way of saying, “No, look at this. This is something that I’m passionate about” while demonstrating my ability to write. (Personally, I thought my essay was a little over-written, but you really only have one shot at impressing them).</p>
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<p>This interpretation is a little tricky and could be misleading. OOS admission to UNC is as selective if not more so than at many top private schools including many Ivies. </p>
<p>Historically, for the last few years the 20 percent number is correct; but it’s important to understand the methodology as well because the percentage of acceptances in the future can/will go down as applications inevitably will go up.</p>
<p>North Carolina law caps the **matriculation (enrollment) **of OOS students at 18% but with a recently found loophole that considers students on full rides (Moreheads, Robertsons, recruited athletes) as being in state (for enrollment purposes only), the actual number of OOS enrolled is near 20%. It’s also important to note that recruited athletes and others on full rides are still counted as OOS for admission purposes but not in enrollment data. This means that the extra 2% that actually was enrolled came from that OOS pool number of 20% who were admitted. </p>
<p>Based on the numbers from 2009 admissions stats, approx 13,000 OOS students applied of which approx 2700 were admitted and approx 700 enrolled. 2700 acceptances resulted in the 20% acceptance rate based on 13000 applicants.</p>
<p>UNC admissions has a pretty good idea of the number of admits necessary to yield the 700 who will eventually enroll. In the past the actual acceptance rate was a little higher but the big increase in applications has driven the percentage down a bit. If applications continue to rise the percent admitted will drop because they cannot increase the percentage of OOS students abp0ve that 18% hard/20% soft cap. It’s just math.</p>
<p>They have obviously not published admissions numbers for this year but at one time they had close to 21,000 online applications started (partially submitted) and were not sure how many would actually be fully submitted. 2009 was an all time record with approximately 18,000 total applicants so if the number of applicants approaches that 21,000 number the percentage of admitted students could change greatly.</p>
<p>^^ Just one question eadad: If the UNC OOS admit rate is about 20% and the admission rates for many of the ivies at or below 10%, how can UNC OOS be comparable?</p>
<p>you’re confusing the numbers. by admit rate they’re talking about in proportion to in-state students. UNC’s admit rate last year was 32%. within that number 20% are OOS and 80% are instate.</p>
<p>so when you work out the proportions in terms of numbers of apps and what not, especially given that 20% cap they have, and all the things they need their OOS pool to accomplish, it becomes very competitive.</p>
<p>^^ Yes the proportion of OOS students is 20%, but according to eadad, the admit rate OOS last year also was approximately 2700/13000=20% (different numbers, same value by coincidence).</p>
<p>And I’m not saying 20% isn’t competitive, especially given the stats of people accepted/deferred/rejected, but it isn’t on par with HYP/Brown/etc.</p>
<p>Sophie</p>
<p>The argument isn’t solely about numbers but more about how competitve the process for an OOS spot is.</p>
<p>If you go back through the CC archives you will find many accepted at Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Penn and Dartmouth who were rejected or wait listed at UNC. HYP are a different story and the great majority of those applying to both are usually accepted to both. That said there are annually many who are accepted to HYP and choose UNC for financial reasons. My S was one of them. </p>
<p>Where it does get interesting though is how highly selective the “name scholarships” at UNC are. Every year many finalists for both the Morehead and Robertson are also considering admission to HYP and each year many of them don’t win the Morehead or Robertson but eventually end up at HYP.</p>
<p>If you have roughly 13,500 OOS applicants for between 500 and 700 spots it’s not all that different than having 18,000 applicants for 1800 spots at HYP. Either way, it’s highly competitive and as any person familiar with statistics will tell you, the numbers can often be made to tell the story you wish to tell.</p>
<p>I got in with the same SAT as you. 2080 superscored. My GPA is also really good, 3.95 UW, 4.62 W. But I think what set me apart was my LOR and my essays. The teacher who gave me my rec was my varsity soccer coach for 3 years, Calc BC AP teacher my junior year, and I’m currently his TA. He wrote me an AMAZING rec. And I put a lot of time into my essays and had them reviewed over and over.</p>
<p>UNC doesn’t just look at stats, they take a holistic approach. Overall, I think you have a really good shot.</p>