<p>I'll be going to washu this fall and I was just wondering if there was any way for me to prepare for organic chemistry. is there a class or a program at washu that i can do during the summer? if not, would i be able to get a head start on it during my freshman year by auditing, etc.?
Or would it just be best to look for ways to prepare for orgo where i live?
is it something i can do by myself with a book from the library or should i inquire colleges in my city?</p>
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<p>hope that helps!</p>
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<p>OY!</p>
<p>Are you taking organic chemistry in the fall semester of your freshman year? If so, I would definitely consider the Summer Intensive Program that TT009 supplied the link to. The PhD student who teaches it is ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE!!</p>
<p>If you are not taking orgo until your sophomore year, then don’t worry about it until then. Just concentrate on gen chem, which is what most freshmen take. There is also a SIP and JIP (January Intensive Program) for gen chem. My D didn’t not do SIP and JIP for gen chem and definitely wishes she had taken them. She DID do both SIP and JIP for orgo chem and thought they were extremely helpful.</p>
<p>Thanks MidwestParent. Is there any way for me to take the sip for gen chem then? I tried to look for information for the gen chem sip online, but couldn’t find any info on it. Can anyone help? also, i’m also considering other pre-o programs and an artsci weekend. any suggestions/tips regarding those?</p>
<p>@linkinpark</p>
<p>You should email Cornerstone. They are the ones who coordinate SIP and JIP.</p>
<p>waiit… I thought that all freshmen have to take gen chem, even if they get 5’s on the AP. Is there a way to place out of gen chem (which probably wouldn’t be a good idea for me tho, but just curious).</p>
<p>@reichin0717</p>
<p>I think you have to take a placement test in addition to a ‘5’ on the AP in order to receive credit for genchem.</p>
<p>I skipped genchem and took orgo my freshman year, but the policy has since changed.
purpleBoople is correct that exemption from taking genchem can only be gotten by an AP 5 + passing a placement test. However, if you are pre-med, then you should not get an exemption because all med schools look for genchem on your transcript.</p>
<p>Also, it is probably best to do SIP if you are interested in getting ahead. If you take a summer prep course at home, that university’s genchem equivalent may not cover the same material. </p>
<p>Note: this policy is only true for Artsci. Engineering has a different policy for AP credit.</p>
<p>I seem to recall getting the SIP info on gen chem sometime during the summer after D was admitted.</p>
<p>What’s the engineering school’s policy on gen chem?</p>
<p>Okay- the policy on gen chem for everyone: (as of the class of 2012, but I don’t think it’s changed).</p>
<p>Everyone except engineering: you cannot place out of gen chem. You have to take it. Chem 111/112 are pre-reqs for orgo. However, if you have no plans whatsoever to take orgo, a 5 on the AP will get you proficiency in chem, but that is NOT the same as gen chem (you’ll get 6 science elective credits). As far as I’m aware, there is no placement test to test out (the placement test is really for the recitation class).</p>
<p>Engineering (kaykay): you CAN test out, and go straight to orgo. To do this, you need a 5 on the AP. You technically get the 6 credits, but the class is waived for you. From the policy:
They mention a placement test during the first week of school, but I don’t know anyone who’s had to take it. They’ve just petitioned and been able to take orgo. <a href=“http://engineering.wustl.edu/OrgCustomFiles/File/2009%20Engineering%20Advanced%20Placement%20AP%20Policy.pdf[/url]”>http://engineering.wustl.edu/OrgCustomFiles/File/2009%20Engineering%20Advanced%20Placement%20AP%20Policy.pdf</a></p>
<p>For the record, gen chem 1 is nothing like AP chem (that would be gen chem 2). Chem 1 is more like P-Chem light, and isn’t covered in the AP.</p>
<p>Okay, here’s the official artsci policy for the class of 2013.
I don’t know anything about the test they mention, and it’s kind of worded confusingly whether or not the test will allow you to take orgo without chem 112.</p>
<p><a href=“http://college.artsci.wustl.edu/sites/college.artsci.wustl.edu/files/AP_Policy_2009.pdf[/url]”>http://college.artsci.wustl.edu/sites/college.artsci.wustl.edu/files/AP_Policy_2009.pdf</a></p>
<p>Your best bet is to wait until orientation, and ask your advisor to be 100% sure whether or not you have to take chem.</p>
<p>For all I know, this test is new and you might be able to place out. Word of warning, the placement test they give you to test out of 111/112 is probably going to be fairly difficult, unlike the math placements.</p>