<p>CS is mad difficult to get into. A 92%+ I think. But it'd be comparable to even the likes of MIT. So you'll get a good experience that's for sure.</p>
<p>hopefully yeah. but the name "waterloo" isnt that attractive i must say. i applied there cuz id get a great ed. but the name makes me laugh ;)</p>
<p>Are you guys saying that CS at Waterloo is better than CS at U of T?</p>
<p>yep. Waterloo is the best for engineering</p>
<p>but U of T has better reputation, from what I heard</p>
<p>Nomad, are you by any chance a Canadian? How do you know that Waterloo is the best for engineering? Is it something that Canadians generally know, or is there a published ranking? Thanks.</p>
<p>waterloo is world-known for it's education in any engineering and almost anything to do with computers. it's like run by microsoft!</p>
<p>Actually I'd like to make some corrections. We don't know for sure if Waterloo is the best in engineering; from my perspective, there aren't as many engineering programs at Waterloo as I'd thought there'd be. U of T indeed does have competitive engineering as well; and unlike Waterloo, they have Aeronautics. So I guess I'm a little biased when I say this: Toronto rocks at engineering.</p>
<p>U of Waterloo I can tell you, is best in Canada for Mathematics and Computer Sciences. The standard to study Mathematics at Waterloo is not high; like a 70-80ish maybe? However, Computer Science expectations are EXTREMELY high; most likely because most of high school-ages programmers in Canada can do squat with computers (ICS3M is not as effective at teaching computers as I thought it'd be; yet I am a sophomore taking this course). Usually the CS acceptees can program well with efficiency and portability in C++ or some other non-high school language like FORTRAN, Python, or Small. I will be learning C++ and FORTRAN. </p>
<p>Sadly, the Ontario curriculum only supports Java...</p>
<p>I am an Indian stuck in the US asa of now. How I know its the best ? Well my cousin whos also applying to Uwaterloo told me that its a wild spread opinion. ( He lives in Winnipeg, Canada FYI and would be aplpying for computer engineering too. </p>
<p>SOrry for th ehigly genralized comment above, I meant its the best for computer engineering and i really don't know about others(apart frm CS of course) . I have read a lot about the university and it seems like it. U toronto IMHO is tooo big to study a delicate subject like engineering.</p>
<p>first of all sorry for the typos:D</p>
<p>Secondly I would like to add that Waterloo has a better reputation in the US for its engineering program and as a fellow poster stated is run by "microsoft" :)</p>
<p>ICS is alright, but of course you gotta go out of your way, most students going to waterloo at my school are computer wizs. 2 of them programmed tetrus in 10th grade with turing! lol
most students in ICS4M at my school know C++ and Java and they hacked in 2 the school network and did many things that the school still hasn't found out about, computer teacher is pretty uneducated, so lots go on. anyway, yeah, if you want to study software engineering at waterloo, you gotta know a lot more than just Java</p>
<p>LOL... Nomad, Newbyreborn said, "[Waterloo] is like run by Microsoft!," not actually run by Microsoft. That's a huge difference! :)</p>
<p>Thanks for all your comments. But I think the admission average for CS at Waterloo isn't as high as reputation says - it's just about 70ish to 80ish on the Waterloo website. And that average is the avg. of only the 6 subjects with the highest scores. Plus, no SATs required. Only transcripts are required, even for international students. On the other hand, U of T wants transcript, SAT I, and 3 SAT IIs. So Waterloo's standard is clearly below U of T's. Plus, even though it's well-known for CS, Waterloo's CS curriculum is no more modern than that of U of T. The only great thing about Waterloo seems to be its co-op program, which I guess is where its reputation comes from.</p>
<p>common misunderstanding! CS not= SE
SE is software engineering, which is the hard one
and CS isn't that hard i guess.
and even though U of T does reuire the SATs and IIs i think the scores they want are low. like 1150 on SAT I (really low) and like 600+ on SAT IIs not 2 bad, but the AP test, they are strict on that 4 or higher i think
anyway
gl</p>
<p>lol Newbyreborn. Canadian computer teachers are so out of it! Here, we don't see a lot of computer wiz's at all. I doubt if my city has ever sent someone to that Programming Competition in April. Meh. </p>
<p>I stand corrected Newbyreborn. It is actually Software Engineering that requires high marks to be admitted. </p>
<p>Waterloo's Co-op program is pretty good; but then again, who needs a Co-op program when a University should be offering such non-curricular opportunities anyway?</p>
<p>Although U of T wants SAT scores, all Universities lack a common admissions procedure by this: essays, interviews. Far from quantitative forms of passion, it is sad these schools do not evaluate people on a more personal level.</p>
<p>Also, if the SAT score requirements were to be higher than 1150; I almost guarentee you, many will fail to achieve that quest. It is not Canada's culture to give a care about the SAT's, thus it is not within the student's motivations to study or prepare for it. I would not be surprised if the Canadian SAT average is lower than that of the Americans. Besides, the Verbal section tests American/British modes and literature; components missing from ENG 4U (Oh wait, that's a WRITING course).</p>
<p>I just got rejected by Mcgill's engineering.</p>
<p>ouch...what were your stats?</p>
<p>and don't worry about it you'll get accepted to a really good university!</p>
<p>I'm applying to UToronto and McGill for physics. How difficult is it to go in?</p>
<p>i applied to U of T and McGill for international relations...any input...I don't know anything about how hard they are to get into or how good the programs are. </p>
<p>Does anyone know anything about York in toronto?</p>
<p>York: not a bad school, good in some areas, but overall not as good as U of T. Also, bad location: not central or easily subway accessible.</p>